Posts by AlumoAudio

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AlumoAudio says


No probs Graham! :)

Geez, just looking back through at my responses on this thread though, I’m really starting to come across as a hardcore AdRev evangelist. Apologies for that, but I don’t actually think anyone else here has used it as much as me, so I guess I’ll just carry on!

Envato, if you want/need me to shut up about all of this, please just pm me! :)
Please do carry on! I think you really are into something with this new tool, that just might become our industry standard. You’re paving the way for us all, thanks for that Matt! :)

Thanks PurpleFog. I guess I’m a little wary of posting about things like this in public. I’ve recently been hearing talk both on and off the forums that some authors feel they are being ‘financially penalised’ when they discuss matters on the forums regarding our industry that aren’t necessarily in Envato’s immediate business interests; especially those that may potentially be viewed as controversial or inflammatory by fellow authors or more importantly, buyers.

Of course, this is most likely a case of confirmation bias and maybe a bit of paranoia rolled in for good measure!

In the meantime, I’ll continue adding my input on the matter. Hopefully the folks at Envato may also find it useful! :-)

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AlumoAudio says

No probs Graham! :)

Geez, just looking back through at my responses on this thread though, I’m really starting to come across as a hardcore AdRev evangelist. Apologies for that, but I don’t actually think anyone else here has used it as much as me, so I guess I’ll just carry on!

Envato, if you want/need me to shut up about all of this, please just pm me! :)

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AlumoAudio says

I uploaded my watermarked tracks via Soundcloud about 4-5 weeks ago and thus far no results…..maybe no-one has ever used any of my tracks! :)

Actually, the main source of our lifted music is YouTube itself.

If you have a video on your YouTube channel that features music that’s high in demand (ukuele, epic cinematic, etc) and it’s tagged and titled well, and appears regularly in searches, you’ll be amazed at how many kiddies quite happily stick it through their YouTube to mp3 ripping sites, and chuck it on their vids, no questions asked, no licenses bought. And that’s where AdRev seems to do it’s work best.

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AlumoAudio says

Adrev does appear to be working already as my latest (watermarked!) Youtube upload got flagged for third party music. So it does recognize both the watermarked version and original even though I only submitted the original tracks to Adrev. Anyway, just found that funny, I now filled in the details for my youtube channel on the account page and hope adrev will recognize my channel and whitelist it.

LOL, AdRev recognises the music on any video with your music on, including those with watermarks on it. That’s the whole point! :)

Also, why would you want to whitelist your own channel? Remember, views of your videos are monetized and you could even benefit from higher views, because you are allowing ads to run on it. Just thought I’d point that out.

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AlumoAudio says

I must admit that I’m guilty. I produced an AJ-soundalike for a client some months ago. My client used a preview from audiojungle for the first version of a corporate movie and wanted me to compose something similar in the same tempo. But his client wanted the exact piece from audiojungle with more variation. So he bought the AJ-track and charged me to produce variations that blend seamlessly with the original piece. I wasn’t very happy with that solution because my own composition got rejected-but the client of my client insisted on that. Since the corporate movie never got finished my sin never got published.

I would imagine this kind of situation is very rare to be honest. In most cases, the buyer would go straight to the composer who created the original, and ask for variations. The concept of hiring a separate composer to rearrange a completely different composer’s music is highly unlikely.


But what I wanted to say: If you find soundalikes of your music in the web you cannot necessarily assume that they didn’t pay for it. Mabye they bought the original track but had to make changes because of awkward customer wishes.

And as Pinkzebra rightly points out, this is simply against the terms and conditions the buyer has to abide by.

Also, I wasn’t arguing the fact they had paid for the original or not. That isn’t the issue here. I’m suggesting that one major reason agencies would want soundalike tracks is to work around the overly simplistic and unclear licensing options available when purchasing from RF marketplaces. We’ve heard it so many times now that some buyers are perplexed by the incredibly low licensing fees, that they feel that there must be some kind of catch, possibly a legal one. So it’s easier to get someone ‘in-house’ to create a track – similar to one they like off an RF marketplace, such as AJ.

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AlumoAudio says

Yep, it’s pretty frustrating. But as Taco says, there’s no real way to prove intent. I noticed they slightly changed the last chord on the bar too, but have foolishly kept the same syncopation on the change, which may suggest they had indeed listened to mine, and attempted to mimic it.

Either way, I’m not going to bother with chasing it up, as this kind of thing is rife in the world of stock music. I was really just pointing out another example of what lengths buyers will take in order to avoid the legalese of music licensing. Kind of ironic really.

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AlumoAudio says

Hey Zineb, There is probably way more coin for envato by selling thousands of 17 buck cat video licences than the odd broadcast licence.. Just the same mentaility us authors have selling here :)

It’s funny you should mention cat videos. It seems that some agencies are actually quite wary of using RF music on their productions, presumably as a result of lack of appropriate licensing options.

As we saw recently with one of Tim’s tracks, looks like their workaround is to get a popular AJ track, and get a composer to replicate it as close as possible. Found one today on a Fresh Step Cat Litter advertisement using this strategy, with my very own top seller.

Original track: http://audiojungle.net/item/that-positive-feeling/1990674

Knock-off track: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJAPskOiohw

This is clearly a byproduct of not having the correct licensing options available in the RF domain.

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AlumoAudio says

Great news dr_alien :D
I can’t complain because I’m at 94 sales so far, which is the double of my usual average, but since yesterday evening things are very slow. I also saw some issues in opening pages here and there, I mean I found them very slow to open. Maybe was just my internet/browser

Wow dude, you’re blowing me out of the water! Major slowdown here, and looking to be one of my worst months in quite some time, if my predictions are correct. Oh well, ‘all good things come to an end’ as they say, and I always wondered if my growth here was sustainable. Apparently not.

Regarding the web page performance, I noticed exactly the same thing last night, but assumed it was my own connection. Maybe it was linked to the site outage recently, and they were tinkering with stuff behind the scenes? Who knows.

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AlumoAudio says


You must have a lot of patience.
Yeah, patience is kinda one of my things. :)

Hats off PZ! I’m the complete opposite in that respect, and would’ve probably given up after the second string!

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AlumoAudio says

Who tried to use this service, is not a scam??

Feel free to look at my earlier posts in this thread, and all is explained :)

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