wattscreative saidI’ve changed my mind, this sounds like a much better solution. And I’ve got to say that I think 95% of the time the reviewers do get it right. But the problem with design and art in general is that it is all about opinions. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and what one person likes another hates.
Yeah this is definitely a difficult one, while I’m sure there are guidelines for the reviewers to follow, I can’t help feeling that some rejections (and approvals too) result purely from the reviewers own opinions!
I don’t think a board of designers is necessary or a good thing though, it sounds elitest and potentially even more frustrating! I think the envato team generally do a great job they just need a boost in consistency and to eradicate their reviewers opinions (sounds harsh but you know what I mean)! If the file is made to their standards guidelines, unique and well put together, surely that’s all that matters – let the buyers decide if the style is right for them!
I have had feedback from reviewers that sounded entirely opinionated and in one instance completely the opposite of what I was trying to achieve with the style of the file. I felt like saying – “OK, well you make it then and when you’re happy with it let me know and I’ll resubmit it!” Don’t get me wrong, I can take criticism and feedback and in most cases have used it to improve my file (and was warranted) but in a couple of cases I have found it seriously frustrating and have had to restrain myself. Especially when I see some of the stuff that has been deemed as satisfactory!I think a better way could be to pass submissions through multiple reviewers who each have a vote to accept or reject and the majority rules!
I agree a much better idea. And for the most part the reviewers do a great job and I appreciate feedback so this is no slam on them.
I just think that because someone can’t understand how a client would use the element isn’t enough to keep it from the marketplace. If the files are put together properly, the art is clean and meets basic guidelines float it out there. Let me as an author bring my customers here to buy it.
I know that my most purchased file on the marketplace wouldn’t make it in should it have been submitted today only because of the amount of opinion that seems to be entering into the marketplace reviews.
Just as an example while someone may like a particular style which seems to be on fire personally doesn’t mean that the marketplace should be flooded with them and exclude others. If Envato is moving towards a larger audience base then you need variety. And some purchasers may just want that illustration of a clown picking his nose for an internal newsletter (bad example). I think you get the idea.
I was looking at some of the items in the marketplace and one item in particular (which I won’t point out) had major prospective errors and made its way into the marketplace.
I know our files are checked to make sure they match up with the submission guidelines and there are many rejections to keep quality up. But sometimes I really find myself scratching my head and trying to figure out why one item makes it in and another doesn’t.
Are reviewers looking beyond structure and what appears often to be personal preference?
Should there be more transparency on items to avoid them being submitted until they meet some standards?
I think the marketplace should have an area where rejected files can be commented on and voted by the authors for submission. Basically a board of designers whom have reached a particular level of sales whom can overrule the reviewers rejection on an item (provided it matches up with the guidelines).
can’t imagine how it will be having in the same site an item you buy as many times as you want and another item in the next page you buy only by attending the auction.
too much confusion, unless they build a new marketplace.in any case i give my +1 to “branding assets” as someone has already suggested
+1 on Branding Assets or Branding / Identity / Marketing XYZ
Seems to me that pulling business cards, letterhead and other identity and branding assets together would totally rock.
Jordon thanks for the message.
One thing I think people sometimes forget is the path of business. As businesses grow their overhead grows and they have to look at expanding their business model. Sometimes this can be good and other times it can inflame customers.
It has been appearing lately that the marketplaces are turning into stock houses and loosing some of their charm. In many ways I like the changes and in others not so much. We all have our opinions and no one but the company itself can determine it’s path, come what may.
I think the main concern is the same as what is being seen in crowd sourcing, devaluation of the work being done.
Some creatives make their money in customization and specialization and work hard to deliver that quality and results. Other creatives believe in the bulk approach, which is basically make many many files with just enough quality to sell them as low prices and hope for tons of sales.
Logos are the main identity of a company and come with all types of issues which IMO I don’t think this marketplace is equipped to handle at this point in time.
I do see other areas that the marketplaces could really excel in and profit from that wouldn’t have caused the anger that is coming across in this thread.
Thank you for listening to everyone and I hope the marketplaces grow and continue to meet Envatos’ business needs.
We need to have Isolated Objects moved to PhotoDen as they are a much better match on that marketplace than here. Photos just don’t fit well.
On PhotoDune when you go to ALL Files there is a list of the top authors for the month. Great Feature! Would love to see that here on GraphicRiver and others. Made me check out their files.
Was wondering if there were any updates on this subject?
@BrianCoyDesign, that’d be like giving him free reign to dictate, could you imagine a client like this when he could see your screen haha!
Actually I can. Made the project go faster, made communication easier and I was able to teach the difficult client how to work with me. Doing this lead to a lead which was very profitable.
You’d be amazed.
Something to think about. Have you tried screen sharing with your client so you can see what they see. You never know what or why a client may not see the changes.
Teamviewer is free and I use it with my clients all the time.