Posts by onioneye

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onioneye says

I can confirm as well – ratings are really hard to come by these days.

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onioneye says

So, let me get this right: if I buy 10 plugins, for example, that cost $10 a piece, and mash those together into bloated, unusable software, my product is now automatically worth $100, just because I paid that much for all of those plugins I bought, even though I’m a crappy developer? Where is the logic in that?



Okay let me get this straight. You are saying the themes in question have over 25 times as much value and only differ in price by 4%.

Bingo! And its not a blown up statement! Go and check it yourself, for example simple themes have 1 -3 sliders, visual composer and maybe one more plugin all together valued at give or take 100$

Those themes have for example up to 10 sliders some more that alone is worth 170$ and 20+ (some even 40 and more) styles which do keep in mind is basically like having that many separate themes and god knows hoy many other addons/plugins. Just in sliders then reach almost 200$ ... so do the mat

Once you realise this all further debate is redundant :)
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onioneye says

@Anps You are spreading so much disinformation. Some of the things you wrote are not based on any concrete facts, and are purely fictional.

This market became multi theme (not multi purpose) market, everything else struggles and can only be as a side earning.

Not true. I for one am not even considering venturing into the multi-purpose market, and I am MORE than happy with my sales. ThemeForest is my only source of income, and I intent it to stay that way.

Furthermore, after inspecting many of these monster themes, I saw how bloated they are, and I do not want to sell something like that to my customers. I see that your portfolio is comprised mainly out of multi-purpose themes, which is perfectly fine, as it is your choice whether or not to produce those kind of themes, but please don’t go around throwing fictional claims that this is the only way to earn good money out here.

again just ask yourself if you had iphone priced as some ordinary huawei would you ever buy the second one even if you do not need all those things on iphone?

Silly comparison. iPhones are actually quality goods, and most of the multi-purpose themes that I’ve inspected are actually bloated software, which should not even sell at the price that they are given at the moment.

This market is from developers mostly for developers, people that resell there products.

That age is far gone now. There is a huge influx of end-users to the theme market – people who are not developers, and who are looking to setup a website, with little to none experience with WordPress. This is one of the main reasons why those bloated themes sell well – because a large chunk of buyers are ignorant to what makes a good website, and are therefore easily swayed into buying a flashy theme, that offers a gazillion of features.

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onioneye says

Currently, I don’t think prices are quality-based, they seem to be featured-based.

Yes, unfortunately, and this is one of the main reasons why talented people like Mike Mcalister have left the marketplace. As someone who deeply cares about quality software, he just couldn’t deal with the fact that ThemeForest has turned into a place where features are valued more than quality.

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onioneye says

Your last statement is so contradictory to everything else you wrote in your comment.

I wholeheartedly agree with everything you said up until the point where you mentioned that bloated themes should have a much higher price than the “regular” ones. Where is the common sense in that? You yourself said that those bloated themes have many faults, and go against basic principles of quality software, but you still want to increase their price?

As @Creattive said, “a higher price suggests a higher quality,” so I just can’t see the reasoning behind increasing the price of the aforementioned themes. Couldn’t that actually hurt our marketplace, and encourage people to produce even more of these faulty products? Isn’t there another, proper way to differentiate multi-purpose themes from simple ones, instead of doing something that might hurt us developers, and further hinder the reputation this marketplace has outside of this community?



Some people took the effort and implemented many plugins in their themes

If you were a WordPress developer you would understand why it’s bad to implement many plugins in your themes. If you would also be a developer you would know that ThemeForest is hated in the larger WordPress community mainly because our bloated themes. Again, if you would be a developer you would know that most of the clients who buy a multipurpose madness theme don’t use even half of the things embedded and they have bloated websites which load really slow and a lot of useless code floating around there. If you would be a developer you would understand that this is not about themes or success – it’s about buyer’s education.

Yes, i could work months on a monster theme that will sell. But that’s not the point – it’s against all WordPress guidelines to do so and the thousands of buyers who buy such themes are the most affected, thought they don’t know it.

That’s why monster themes should cost a lot – buyers wouldn’t be so hasty in buying stuff they will never use.
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onioneye says

First you want to increase the price of bloated themes, to make the pricing more fair in comparison to non-bloated themes. A higher price suggests a higher quality. Now you are saying these themes are super slow and people only buy this because they have no idea. So what now, increase the price for slower themes? Give buyers the feeling this is worth more, or educate buyers that it is actually worth less?

Agreed. A higher price does indeed suggest a higher quality, so it goes against every common sense to up the price of a lower quality product.

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onioneye says

@digitalscience @Anps I am going to repeat what I said a dozen of times already on the same topic: quantity does not equal quality. There must be some other way to distinguish multi-purpose themes from “regular” ones, instead of unjustifiably raising the price of those huge themes, of which many are actually lacking on quality and could be considered as bloatware.

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onioneye says

Have in mind that it’s August this time around. I assume that a lot of folks are on their vacations.


ok people. is Wednesday. sales are down. what the hell is happening?

last week was normal then the new homepage kicks in and all is busted. I’m struggling to not fit into “is homepage fault” paranoia but I’m losing fate here.

My reward for asking for improvements is less sales each time those improvements arrive. I’m starting to have enough of this, really. Before search update couple of months ago there were constant sales, then I’ve got to roller coaster period, but now I’m at the bottom of the ocean.

How do I get elite with this trends :|

last sale on videohive on 5 Aug, is now 7 according to envato clock and no sales in sight. This in the middle of the week when sales actually happen to be more frequent
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onioneye says

Beautiful people. :)

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onioneye says

The first two days were alright, but there was a huge drop over the weekend. I’m guessing that a lot of folks are packing/leaving for their vacations now. :)

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