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pjtops says

At the moment, we’re not requiring that the entire set of PHP coding rules, as outlined for WordPress, be followed. We’re specifying a couple of them that we do require in order to improve legibility of code. If it would be easier for you to simply follow them wholesale though, then by all means, please do!

The tabs one is a bit tricky, as wordpress does it differently from most other big PHP projects. I’m seeing a situation where I’ll have to adjust my editor every time when switching between creating themes/plugins for here, and working on other projects. If its about legibility, then how about a compromise, like for indenting, use 1 tab OR 4 spaces. Unless of-course you do plan to require full compliance to the wordpress style-guide, then it doesn’t really matter what rules you choose to start with.

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pjtops says

I have a question. Do we have to really follow this: http://make.wordpress.org/core/handbook/coding-standards/php/#brace-style I don’t like my braces with unnecessary spaces.

Same question here. Are the wordpress PHP formatting rules meant to be followed in full, or are just bits of the rules being picked? If the whole standard must being followed, so be it. But if just a few specific rules are being selected from there, then please don’t pick the most controversial rules. Like the tabs vs spaces issue, a debate that’s been going on since programming started.

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pjtops says

And about envato censoring comments, do this little exercise: Look for items with a 1 star ratings, then go through their comments sections.

So your comments got removed. It may or may have not been justified, but just because you don’t agree with the decision taken in that one instance, it doesn’t mean the whole system is flawed, or that envato has conspired to “silence all buyers”.

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pjtops says


Does your business have a website? Cause if you do, I’m sure all the content there has also been “pruned to the benefit of the seller”.
Of course it does, but it doesn’t have a customer feedback section and it’s not an online marketplace, so the comparison isn’t really relevant.

A “customer feedback section” is not an “anything goes section”, and a business has the right to decide whats acceptable on its own website. And if your business is selling something, then that’s very relevant because the definition of a marketplace is that its somewhere where goods and services are sold.

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pjtops says

Are you happy buying products (well, when you do buy something) in a marketplace where feedback has been pruned to the benefit of the seller?

Does your business have a website? Cause if you do, I’m sure all the content there has also been “pruned to the benefit of the seller”.

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pjtops says

You state you haven’t read the original comments section I’m complaining about, and it seems you haven’t read this thread properly either. Nowhere have I stated customers can post anything they want, but they should be free to provide feedback on real issues with a product as a warning to other potential customers, without fear of having their comments censored.

True. And authors should also be free to create and sell great products here, without fear of someone bombing their product pages with crazy, malicious comments that could put weeks of hard work and effort to waste.

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pjtops says

We are many authors here and statistically, like in any group, there are certain type of people who behave inappropriately.

Exactly! Same goes for buyers. Envato staff have an obligation to protect both the buyers and authors from the “bad elements”, and I believe they are doing their best.

@familychoice, I haven’t read any of the comments from the thread you are talking about, but just from your comments here, you are coming off as very aggressive and pushy. 3 staff members so far have posted what I think are very reasonable and helpful responses, and you’re not taking any of it. What exactly do you want? Are you saying Envato should just leave people post anything they want on an authors product page without giving them any control whatsoever about whats posted there? Would you allow that to happen in your own business website?

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pjtops says

Firstly, it’s standard practice for WordPress to use tabs over spaces.

Secondly, it results in smaller file sizes. One character, instead of four.

Third, consistency. One isn’t strictly better than the other (tabs v spaces)—the point is to be consistent, and TF just happened to request consistency in keeping with WordPress standards and practices.

None of the more stringent code formatting rules—just use tabs instead of spaces. It probably makes reviewer’s lives easier.

If it irritates you, indent each level four tabs instead of four spaces. That’ll teach ‘em!

Meanwhile, in the larger PHP community, when they require the use of tabs over spaces, its usually only on April 1st – april fools day ( http://philsturgeon.co.uk/blog/2013/04/psr2-the-tough-decision ) . I think on this one, Envato should just let authors pick whatever they are comfortable with, as long as they apply it consistently, whther its tabs or spaces.

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pjtops says
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4. Tabs must be used for indentation—not spaces.

Where is this coming from – is it a WordPress standard? Because this goes against what the larger PHP community recommends as best practice, especially with the PSR standards ( https://github.com/php-fig/fig-standards/blob/master/accepted/PSR-2-coding-style-guide.md ). The problem with tabs is that different software programs and environments interpret them differently (as either 3 or 4 spaces), so it makes things harder if you are a version control for your code. Spaces are easier to work with as most code editors have an option to automatically turn tabs to spaces for you.

Otherwise, I think this is a step in the right direction for themeforest, though authors more comfortable with the design side of things, or with a large portfolio of WP themes will have the hardest time adjusting.

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pjtops says

I have given a few five star ratings, but reserve those for exceptional good value, backed up with ‘above and beyond the call of duty’ support. What’s the point of giving a ‘good’ theme, with good support a 5 star rating? It leaves you nowhere else to go when you buy an exceptional product as you can’t give them 6 stars. Ratings aren’t the only way to show appreciation. Sometimes even a simple email saying “thanks for making this great product” goes a long way.

If the majority applied that same principle when rating, then your argument would be spot on. But the reality is, most buyers are quite generous with 5 star ratings, to the point where a 4 star rating looks a bit bad. I’d say give a good theme with good support their well earned 5 stars, and when you come across an exceptional item, give it 5 stars, plus a very strong “buyers endorsement” on the items comment pages.

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