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Bulk sales is going to be hard to counter, for example were is the limit to bulk sale, 5, 10, 30, 60 sales? How do you define that? The only logical solution, a radical solution a way that competitive marketplace follows is to not show the sales count all together.

I don’t know of any physical store that has stickers on there products on how much sales did they make.

Well this will not change until either customers change or we authors do. Envato is picking up the cream and licking there fingers. They do not care and the real question is would you?

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So in your mind a bulk sale is ok, but not when they affect popular page positions? Right. A bulk order is just a large amount of sales in one go, but individual sales nevertheless, going to individual people who obtain individual licences. These aren’t artificial sales – they were all paid for. If an author gets a large order, then they deserve that sales count, regardless if they’re on the popular page or not. A sale is a sale.
By following your reasoning, if i’d pay somebody to do a bulk purchase of my items for the sole purpose of boosting my ranking in popular page, that would be fine because all sales were paid for and a sale is a sale.
No, if you paid someone to make a bulk order then that would be gaming the system. Only bulk orders through legitimate business partner deals.

And how will you prove that? For example we have a project for one of our customers worth well over 14k Euros, i could make a deal for 4k of that money to buy our licence for one of our items for which i deal with them to communicate with us with envato that we have for example a lecture or something and they offer this as a price… no do tell me how can anyone prove its not the case.

As I mentioned before pushing your stocks if you are a broker agency to your clients creating a false demand is not legal, why then?

The main point is not that we do not acknowledge there marketing skills but morality of it, if those were legitimate purchases its different sorry, however i still would not allow this if I was envato it’s way to open for manipulation.

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Well… the main point in all similar situations in other industries is that besides the author/owner of the product nobody else gets money out of it but here however envato gets the fair share so why would they stop?

Not directly the same, but stock exchange has laws, very strict laws on this kind of stunts. And they also don’t buy “them self’s” rather push there stock to there customers. And as here if this was nothing wrong why would it be outlawed?

As it was already mentioned, false representation of demand, which is dangerous to say the least.

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only the 1 one… every other one since then is a sci fi movie were it does not belong :)

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Yea well the point is if this is allowed then other options should be open to, lets get all rules out of the way for promotion and we will see what will happen I am all up for that.

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Yea noticed that also :/

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In any case a drop of 400 or so sales for Avada I think is a consequence of X being nb.1 is not negligible in my opinion. If this streak continues this means 64K+ drop in profits, now that I presume hurts. To be honest if I was themefusion I would hit back. X)

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That is why I sad morality of it is a different story. The main point here is money makes money.

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The point is that this cannot be proven, it is very easy with those sales to invest that kind of money and strike a deal with someone financing it to buy all of those themes and push the sales to the first place….

In any case this is a great test to see if the 1st place is going to hold later on without those purchases… it will show something that we have been talking for a long time.

The morality of it is a different story. I always sad, stores (not online stores) do not have a mark how much something got sales. It is very easy for anyone to calculate how much do i earn…which is… well not cool.

For example 2 competitive sites do not have this.

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@Aniruddh Nothing wrong with these bulk sales, it’s basically one company transferring many licences to a select group of people, so it’s not just one sale, but counts as many sales. Anyways it shouldn’t be a concern for you, X Theme is on top for the week for now but if they don’t get further bulk sales, most likely Avada will be back to #1 and we’ll continue to watch it there for the next 10 years… so rather appreciate a new theme at #1 while it lasts ;)

Depends, if you check avada went down on sales from 1700 to 1300+, now the question is why… X being on 1st place influenced it so much or..?

This is a scary notion.

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