Yea well… now we all now what we are allowed, this kind of marketing stunts are going to be standard and are going to eliminate new authors….
Agreed, just edit your post before moderators do, any political comment even if it is historical is not allowed.
So let me get this strait, I can for example strike a deal with a company that will buy a bulk purchase of our themes for lets say giving it away for attending a seminar for clients.
And how can you prove I did not pay this company in confidence that they will not disclose that to you?
Nobody here is assuming that they did that, but we are pointing out that it can be done easily, specially if you are willing to pay. They get free product/gifts for there clients, authors gets top place on popular list, envato gets its money. Its a campaign and nothing else same as paying for adds. Keep in mind for 1000 licences the themes authors actually pays only 30% (since 70% of it he gets back) which is a small price to pay for being on the top and taking away sales to the competitor.
This is all that we are saying, morality of it is a different question all together.
Bulk sales is going to be hard to counter, for example were is the limit to bulk sale, 5, 10, 30, 60 sales? How do you define that? The only logical solution, a radical solution a way that competitive marketplace follows is to not show the sales count all together.
I don’t know of any physical store that has stickers on there products on how much sales did they make.
Well this will not change until either customers change or we authors do. Envato is picking up the cream and licking there fingers. They do not care and the real question is would you?
bitfade saidNo, if you paid someone to make a bulk order then that would be gaming the system. Only bulk orders through legitimate business partner deals.
digitalscience saidBy following your reasoning, if i’d pay somebody to do a bulk purchase of my items for the sole purpose of boosting my ranking in popular page, that would be fine because all sales were paid for and a sale is a sale.
So in your mind a bulk sale is ok, but not when they affect popular page positions? Right. A bulk order is just a large amount of sales in one go, but individual sales nevertheless, going to individual people who obtain individual licences. These aren’t artificial sales – they were all paid for. If an author gets a large order, then they deserve that sales count, regardless if they’re on the popular page or not. A sale is a sale.
And how will you prove that? For example we have a project for one of our customers worth well over 14k Euros, i could make a deal for 4k of that money to buy our licence for one of our items for which i deal with them to communicate with us with envato that we have for example a lecture or something and they offer this as a price… no do tell me how can anyone prove its not the case.
As I mentioned before pushing your stocks if you are a broker agency to your clients creating a false demand is not legal, why then?
The main point is not that we do not acknowledge there marketing skills but morality of it, if those were legitimate purchases its different sorry, however i still would not allow this if I was envato it’s way to open for manipulation.
Well… the main point in all similar situations in other industries is that besides the author/owner of the product nobody else gets money out of it but here however envato gets the fair share so why would they stop?
Not directly the same, but stock exchange has laws, very strict laws on this kind of stunts. And they also don’t buy “them self’s” rather push there stock to there customers. And as here if this was nothing wrong why would it be outlawed?
As it was already mentioned, false representation of demand, which is dangerous to say the least.
only the 1 one… every other one since then is a sci fi movie were it does not belong
Yea well the point is if this is allowed then other options should be open to, lets get all rules out of the way for promotion and we will see what will happen I am all up for that.
In any case a drop of 400 or so sales for Avada I think is a consequence of X being nb.1 is not negligible in my opinion. If this streak continues this means 64K+ drop in profits, now that I presume hurts. To be honest if I was themefusion I would hit back. X)