Man, Benji, that makes me really happy to see your so well deserved success!! From the first time I heard ‘Keep on keeping on’ back in 2012 shortly after you joined the jungle I knew that you’re gonna make it big here ! Big Congrats, love your music, your voice and singing.
Once again I have to thank you,dude, for pointing me towards Reverbnation with this and saving me lots of trouble. Btw: where have your so well deserved community superstar badges gone?? I cant see them here…..
Hey man Congrats to the badge. Really happy to see that your countless efforts get noticed and rewarded!
Happy new year to you all
I hope we’ll see some light on the new EU VAT Horizon soon, because at the moment all I see is confusion and many many small businesses like some of my favourite small sample developers are taking down their websites until they’ve found a solution for this mess.
Although I’m trying to get my head around it for weeks now, it’s still pretty much looking like this to me: http://i.imgur.com/GNhEMmX.gif
Very true indeed. We need to keep the conversation going to improve things for both sides. Very important and fruitful conversation here for me. Thanks again everybody for participating and keeping the discussion on a fair level, it’s just normal that a topic like this get’s a little heated from time to time, but hey, we’ve made it through 45 pages and that is something nowadays
We dont have to like each other’s positions but we need to respect each other and I think that’s still the case here
Again I wanna say thank you, koster, for adressing this long overdue topic.
There is definitely room for improvement, on AdRev’s side, Youtube’s side concerning their language, the marketplaces, and of course on the side of us authors using AdRev communicating it in an open and honest way to our customers.
thank you for once more taking the time to answer. Really appreciated. Your answer shows a problem that we encounter in many areas at the moment, and I include everybody, including myself into it.
We all are trying to rely on known models of the ‘old world’ when dealing with the oddities of an ever expanding worldwide business web.
It just doesnt work like this anymore and we have to find new solutions.
I agree with you that AdRev/ContentID may not be the perfect solution, but what is?? What is?
People take Youtube for granted. But please consider reading and digesting my earlier (GreenAudio) post here again!
I talked to a video producer two days ago about your problem and he sympathised with your opinion all the way until I said, ok, that would be ideal, but, we need to get Youtube in proportion here in this picture and described it the way I did on page 26.
This said, I really believe that LicenseID could be and should be a way into the right direction. I even see this as a chance for a clever marketplace, because these problems wont just go away and there’s a reason why AdRev is so successful, because they at least offer a solution!
Even if it would work like you said, having a marketplace without ContentID, how will THEY handle the problem of others potentially renaming and reuploading their tracks? Issuing takedown notices and policing the internet ‘by hand’?
Just like others, I would say Envato is the seller for these few reasons :
So, I don’t see how authors can be called ‘sellers’ when they are merely submitting their items to Envato and getting money from them. Even support and updates are not ‘mandatory’ for authors but Envato handles the support for refund, licensing etc.
- I don’t know who my buyers are, but Envato knows.
- I don’t get money from my buyers, but from Envato instead.
- I need Envato to approve what I can sell, and I can’t set the price for what I’m selling.
- I am not issuing the license to my buyers, Envato does that.
- I cannot issue a refund to my buyers.
+1 Seems pretty obvious, right?!
reading your last post, counting names as Colgate or ebay to your client list, you probably have been around for long enough to understand that there were times when adding music to a video for them (or others) did cost 10 or 20 times as much as you’re paying now, right?
You say we as music authors fail to see the world from a video producer’s view while we could say exactly the same is true in reverse.
I think it’s fair to say that nobody probably will steal the visual content on Youtube from your Colgate video and use it again, while the music could be extracted all too easily and could be reused in thousands of other vids as we see it happen again and again.
Ads are only shown in unlicensed uses, it’s a matter of seconds to remove claims or have a whole channel/client whitelisted.
Also: It only affects Youtube uses. As I said before, please consider ways to protect your intellectual property on such a huge place and you’ll soon come to the conclusion that the Content ID/adrev system is a working system as well for Youtube as for content providers to protect their audio and visual content.