codenegar saidHe is right, this is the main reason on most sales in envato
I think one of the main reasons that many users like to buy from Envato is that they pay once and there is no monthly fees, they do not need to buy updates,...
Flip side: the main reason people distrust / stop buying at Envato is an author abandons fixing an item customers already bought because there’s no money in keeping it updated.Buyers can benefit from both models. That’s why paid updates should be an option for authors.
+1 !! I had a file which has 2-3 sales per month so i decided to remove it because it was no longer an option to maintain it for a profit such small. Guess what? After i’ve removed it i received a few emails from buyers asking where’s the file?So an option for payed lifetime updates should really be in place. But i do see really big issues with it, as in authors not keeping their end of the deal or buyers asking frenetically for new features or stuff like that, where Envato couldn’t do anything about the issue. So maybe this is why we won’t see such a system on here (at least not created by the marketplace).
Ofcourse you delete that item, there’s nothing strange about that. It’s completely normal.
IF such an idea would ever be, it should be a model that lets existing buyers pay a percentage of the original price to download an update AFTER like the first 6 months ( a year, whatever ) of purchase.
So, as an example:
a buyer buys a theme: Can download free updates the first 6 months ( or more.. ). After those first 6 months and IF there is an update from after that period, they can download the latest version for 5 to 10 dollar instead of the original 40 or 45. And yet again, a 6 month period starts to run.
this, most importantly ‘COULD’ be a model for a marketplace like Envato and it’s authors. One that prevents envato from hunting authors that don’t keep their end of the deal, because authors don’t have to.
This way the authors may choose to wether update the item or not. The buyers can choose to buy an update after the first period or not. For decent themes authors have a reason to keep the item updated even after the first period. BUT – always – with the freedom to delete an item.
OP, great idea. If Envato or other developers do not support it then that is even all the more reason to go ahead and implement the system yourself on your own website.
That’s not allowed if you read Envato Membership Terms & Conditions carefully: http://themeforest.net/legal/membership
Chapter 19, point b) and e):
You will not: b. insert your own or a third party’s advertising, branding or other promotional content into any of the Site’s content, materials or services or use, redistribute, republish or exploit such content or service for any further commercial or promotional purposes;
You must not: e. use the Sites to distribute or make available any Product whose primary purpose is to facilitate the distribution of Products outside of the Sites;That means that you cannot put item for sale here and then charge for updates on your own site. Theoretically you also cannot charge for support as you’re advertising services outside Envato marketplaces.
Yes you can. Only thing is you can’t advertise for it in any of the related sites from envato, your themes or whatever.
But – if you get a question from a buyers for customization, you can offer them your own customization service. Envato has nothing to do with that at all IF you’re not advertising it on any related sites.
The whole point about those terms is the advertising. Envato can’t tell you not to offer your own services to buyers when they ask for it.
IE 7 and 8 are about to be death. Unless there’s a good reason for a client to make something work with IE 6 or 7 ( because maybe their entire office still uses those ), you definitely shouldn’t mind those versions.
Specially here on TF you shouldn’t mind, IE8 is as far back as i go – and that’s mostly a version without things like CSS animations and border radius things, because that doesn’t work in IE8
ChapterThemes saidSo you’re suggesting to delete themes that don’t sell and therefore make all existing customers unhappy? Recurring payments are for people that already purchased the theme, it has nothing to do with the fact that the theme currently sells or not.
OFCOURSE (!!) it’s best to keep your item updated : IF IT STILL SELLS IN ANY WAY! And IF items STILL SELL : Just DO the damn update without recurring fees like they are now.
A couple of recurring fees for one theme don’t make the theme profitable to keep it up 2 date whole the time! ESPECIALLY when those fees are going through envato and you only get a percentage.
Besides, a theme doesn’t get deleted after a month. I’m talking ‘bout themes already sitting dead for a year or more. And an author can see if they still get many questions or not for a particulair theme.
And the whole point isssss : Get those buyers directly to you if they still want to keep updates when there is trouble with a 2 year old theme not available anymore.
Anyway, – good luck to everyone!
BTW – i don’t see a problem when such a feature would be implemented – as long as it is optional for every item.
I suggest you to use the domain name “ohhthemes.com” .To get the domain name you should check the availability first .After that only you can register your domain .To check the availability and to register use the [link removed] ..
I suggest people look at the post dates, since this thread was started 8 months ago. I think he probably made his choice already
Deleting item because it is easier to delete and it a submit a fresh design, or maintain the current theme and make your customer more happy and get more revenue … Which is better
Noooo, nooo, nooo and NO. WHY people don’t GET it? i’m truly dazzled by this…
First of all: The whole thing is about “Recurring Fees”, NOT about what’s easier.
Secondly: Noone said that deleting an old item is because it’s easier.
Seriously, most people need to start thinking business arround here. YES: OFCOURSE (!!) it’s best to keep your item updated : IF IT STILL SELLS IN ANY WAY!
And IF items STILL SELL : Just DO the damn update without recurring fees like they are now. IF it’s a good theme it will still sell to many new buyers and keep it profitable. PLUS (!!! PLUS !! ) : Your existing buyers will LOVE you, tell others about you, maybe become loyal customers of your other themes : which in the end IS: the BEST thing you could have, WITHOUT STUPID recurring fees!! ( YEAHH BABYYY!!!! WHOOOOOO!! ) – And THAT’s what buyers like THE MOST!
Besides the selling point, like @visualkicks said : Sometimes a theme just needs to go. It’s old, it’s lame – it NEEDS to be gone. OFCOURSE : IF the theme still sells – you keep it up 2 date and running with the latest WP version for example.
Bottom line: there are authors running a business : It needs to stay profitable for EVERY SINGLE THEME, to maintain them – simple as it is! Think smart! Think business and STILL keep your buyers extremely happy.
Buyers need more quality in their current themes more than a new theme
That’s true, but sometimes a theme just doesn’t work. And there are people playing here longer than you or many others are, which have lots of way older themes.
A car dealer also removes older models to get freaky with better newer models. If they ( author ) need to keep everything available you get stuck in the end if you have a lot of themes.
Updates should be as they are now. Simple: want to keep item for sale : keep it up to date. Otherwise remove the item. People still want support or more like customization : contact me. The whole concept of yearly fees still has absolutely no point to excist. I already have my own customization service that is and never will have something todo with envato, even it is for themes sold here.
For those that say that my idea is stupid, have a look the recent update of woothemes support terms & pricing
That’s only because it’s their own products.
If you run your own site selling your own stuff it would be a good idea yes, but not when you’re an author who gets a percentage. I don’t understand why people want to be commited to ‘buyers’ through a network when those buyers could also be direct clients… anyway, i’m not going to discus this further. We’ll see what the future brings
I agree, but – this is the internet – the internet is now, bam, pow – you can prepare in front and launch with ‘a click on a button’ It’s no surprise WordPress 3.6 came out
Having that said, it doesn’t bother me to wait a couple of days for such thing.
Everytime a new WP version comes out the same question is asked. The option will come, as always
But such thing should indeed be available immediatly after the release.