If authors are direct sellers then it’s not enough that you say “We’ll be introducing limited buyer information against each sale.”
This statement doesn’t resolve anything. I understand that in Australia you probably have very liberal law and a lot of freedom.
Unfortunately in EU we don’t. If you want to give some personal data of customers to us we need to know exactly what data right now.If we are supposed to collect these data we need to report this to Inspector General for Personal Data Protection. We need to describe and register our databases etc.
This needs to be re-posted until Envato hear and acknowledge it: Authors do NOT want buyer’s personal data. Let authors focus on being creative for god’s sakes!
I’ve seen a few uninformed authors saying “I want all buyers information if authors are direct sellers”, but they don’t understand that that would be 100x times worse. Privacy laws (particularly in the EU) are not something you want to deal with at all.
Authors only want to be creative and create great products, not deal with complex personal data laws!
In my eyes, this entire debacle has now officially turned into one huge nasty joke now. I am extremely upset and dissatisfied about all this.
It’s as if Envato don’t realise that Buyers only spend money here because of authors. As more authors move to other marketplaces, the buyers will follow.
Guys, I think most facts/arguments about this mess have been well covered.
Let’s just stay quiet until Envato release a new blog post about all this. Natman said Collis was working on a follow up statement regarding past sales and all the implications (on VAT and past income tax declarations) and was meant to release it soon.
Once they do that, let’s see what is said and we can then all take it from there.
@Natman, thanks for answering some of the questions. Can you please share a screenshot of a dummy template of the invoices that will be sent to everyone?
@KingDog, I understand your stance, but if authors are not allowed to discuss the implications of taxes/vat on past sales (which depends on who the seller is) in a very related thread like this one, where are we supposed to discuss that?
If you want authors to discuss it somewhere else Envato needs to write a new official blog post that thoroughly addresses the issue and open a relevant thread for it in these forums.
Until that happens, authors will continue to swarm every related thread with the same questions and express their exasperating frustration, as it is potentially an absolutely HUGE legal/tax issue and Envato doesn’t seem to want to address it or take it seriously by openly discussing it with authors.
@Surstudio, I really hope this doesn’t across as rude, but I don’t see the relevance in any of that to this conversation. If some buyers go to such extreme extents to break the law to avoid paying a tax they should be paying (i.e. VAT on goods they buy), what do you want Envato to do? Envato will be complying with VAT law from 1st January by collecting VAT from people they know are EU buyers and then passing it on to the relevant authorities following VAT compliance guidelines.
And now that we have the future of VAT compliance on Envato established, we have shifted the attention to get Envato to clarify in crystal-clear terms, who the real seller is and to discuss past sales, as that has a huge impact on past declarations of income tax and VAT. If you read the hundreds of comments in this thread, you can read on why this is so important/relevant and is what most authors are waiting Envato to talk about next.
Nice share Gareth, but all that proves is that Envato never really had a choice about VAT from the 1st of January, if they had gone the other way, they would be blatantly breaking EU law.
The main unresolved issue is of all past sales up until January 1st 2015. Which has big consequences on VAT and income taxes declared by almost all authors. But if you think about it, if Envato is definitely liable for VAT from 1st of Jan, surely that is just further proof (not that any more was needed) they should have been dealing with VAT all along?
Also, I read that Envato seems to be comparing itself to eBay in Envato Support email responses:
“The Envato Market provides a platform for millions of individual creative minds from around the world to create, upload and sell their items – much like Ebay.com, but for digital goods.”
This was infuriating to read. In what world is Envato anything like eBay? Apart from being marketplaces on the internet, there are literally zero other similarities. If you told a tax/vat worker that Envato is like eBay, they would immediately believe that authors have definitely had to pay VAT and declare 100% of the full sale amount in their income tax declarations.
Less than a month for 2015 and this still isn’t even close to being resolved. It’s hard to put into words how annoyed and disappointed I am about all this.
December is already here. Could we please get a rough estimate of when we will hear more on all this? The long silence is painful
This could be solved by increasing the price for those themes that come with their own custom page builder/slider builder.
Exactly, this already happens with WooCommerce/BuddyPress/bBpress – if your theme supports and styles those plugins, the theme is $10 more expensive than one without any of that.
Author-created sliders and pagebuilders that are bundled into a theme should add another $X to the theme and “multi-purpose” themes, that are essentially 30 themes in 1, should also use this logic and be priced accordingly too.