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Bizarre, though, that Collis should opt for firefighting these issues now, rather than managing them strategically 12—or even 6—months ago.

It’s better than not managing them at all.

Anyways, my attitude towards the problem has changed from negative to cautiously optimistic. I wish Envato (and Collis in particular) best luck in dealing with these challenges.

Regards,
Miroslav (from Dream-Theme)

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Hello there. Sorry dor my bad english. I have a question, what about non-EU tax countries? I’m living in Ukraine.
You cannot legally sale on Envato marketplace if you’re from Ukraine. There’s simply no legal base in Ukraine for that (since laws are archaic). You have to have a middlemen between you and Envato so it will have a written agreement “with wet stamp” with you. Middlemen will receive funds from Envato and send them to you. Only in this case you can legally receive those funds to your bank account and “show” them to your tax administration.
ohh. I don’t like it at all. I think that my work on this marketplace is over.
You were receiving your funds via Payoneer (not via swift transactions) then, I assume?
I’ve receiving my funds via Scrill. Is this a Swift transaction?

No. Swift is a transaction to your bank. And if you’d try it, the financial control service of your bank would contact you immediately.

Though Ukrainian citizens cannot have accounts in foreign banks (unless they have a special permission from NBU), Payoneer and Skrill accounts are not technically BANK accounts :) And there’s small chance that your tax administration will know about it (unless you try to get money from the card in cash desk of some bank). But I strongly recommend you not to toy with it.

It’s not that hard to find an accountant who is accustomed with selling digital goods abroad. So you can develop a business model suitable for you. Absence of adequate legal base is not the reason to sit on your arse and stop earning money ;)

Good luck mate!

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Hello there. Sorry dor my bad english. I have a question, what about non-EU tax countries? I’m living in Ukraine.
You cannot legally sale on Envato marketplace if you’re from Ukraine. There’s simply no legal base in Ukraine for that (since laws are archaic). You have to have a middlemen between you and Envato so it will have a written agreement “with wet stamp” with you. Middlemen will receive funds from Envato and send them to you. Only in this case you can legally receive those funds to your bank account and “show” them to your tax administration.
ohh. I don’t like it at all. I think that my work on this marketplace is over.

You were receiving your funds via Payoneer (not via swift transactions) then, I assume?

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Hello there. Sorry dor my bad english. I have a question, what about non-EU tax countries? I’m living in Ukraine.
You cannot legally sale on Envato marketplace if you’re from Ukraine. There’s simply no legal base in Ukraine for that (since laws are archaic). You have to have a middlemen between you and Envato so it will have a written agreement “with wet stamp” with you. Middlemen will receive funds from Envato and send them to you. Only in this case you can legally receive those funds to your bank account and “show” them to your tax administration.

Really? I thought that there is a lot of developers and freelancers from Ukraine here and on another freelance websites (from USA or Australia).

Bad luck…

ThemeForest is not a freelancer website. It’s a marketplace/platform/call it as you like :) Freelancers usually have agreements with employers. In this case they can show their profits and pay their income tax.

As I said, law base is archaic in Ukraine and stupid sheet of paper (or absence of it) can create lots of headache in this country.

930 posts
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Hello there. Sorry dor my bad english. I have a question, what about non-EU tax countries? I’m living in Ukraine.

You cannot legally sale on Envato marketplace if you’re from Ukraine. There’s simply no legal base in Ukraine for that (since laws are archaic). You have to have a middlemen between you and Envato so it will have a written agreement “with wet stamp” with you. Middlemen will receive funds from Envato and send them to you. Only in this case you can legally receive those funds to your bank account and “show” them to your tax administration.

930 posts
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In addition I think we should be grateful Envato takes care of this EU-VAT stuff. Because otherwise we would have to deal with MOSS in every single invoice. So I don’t know if it’s clever to prejudge Envato, because finally they’re taking a lot of work off our hands.
Will you be grateful to Envato when your tax official will ask you about all the incorrect tax reports (and therefore tax evasion) that you did before Feb 1, 2015? ;)

:D They already DID and I managed it. (I’ve had a tax audit). It was no problem at all. But I think this thread is about the upcoming issues, not about the past.

By the way I just can’t help but get the feeling that there is a lot of dissatisfaction here. I’m wondering why all these authors are still working together with Envato. To have an alternate opinion, other than being upset before getting answers I feel is not appropriate here though.

Because we love Envato and owe it a lot. We’re trying to prevent the catastrophe.

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Ok, got a few questions, and I figured since the answers might be interesting for everyone here I ask in the forum instead of sending a mail to tax@envato.com:

1.) You tell us Envato Marketplaces are a platform and you are not the seller. Yet I have a legal document issued by the Austrian Federal Ministry of Finance that basically says you are the seller, based on the way you operate [...]

2.) If I would accept that you are not the seller I would also accept that I now owe Austria a 6 figure amount of VAT. Since I could not prove which of my previous customers are EU based and which are not I would need to pay VAT for each of them. So 20% of my lifetime earnings would now be due in taxes. Not gonna happen if I can prevent it…

You already said once that you will try to solve historic tax problem but at this point and with your current announcement I think its time that you lay out that solution, otherwise there are thousands of authors who would need to pay millions in taxes retroactively…

3.) In your announcement under “Why Envato Market will stay a Platform” you tell us that you don’t consider switching to another business model because you want to “empower and celebrate authors”. [...]

1) Same in UK.

2) Same for authors based/registered in UK.

3) Hypocrisy, I assume :)

I hope Envato will at last realize the long-term consequences of what they are going to do to Marketplaces – optimizing taxation in short perspective is not worth it.

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In addition I think we should be grateful Envato takes care of this EU-VAT stuff. Because otherwise we would have to deal with MOSS in every single invoice. So I don’t know if it’s clever to prejudge Envato, because finally they’re taking a lot of work off our hands.

Will you be grateful to Envato when your tax official will ask you about all the incorrect tax reports (and therefore tax evasion) that you did before Feb 1, 2015? ;)

930 posts
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Hi,
Don’t panic – bridge appears in its place :)

930 posts
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  • Has been part of the Envato Community for over 4 years
  • Has sold $2M+ on Envato Market
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Patience with Envato be locked in 3.. 2.. 1.. seconds.

Until Envato addresses the countless concerns raised in the last 12 months (really way longer) about pricing, taxes, updates, and support they shouldn’t expect us to give them quarter. Some of us have paid in tens and hundreds of thousands of dollars for Envato to make selling easy and hassle-free. That’s not happening.

I won’t be providing any tax numbers until Envato does a 180 degree twist on transparency, communication, and respect to the people who they earn on the backs of.

Unfortunately, new Envato policy on dealing issues is extremely clear, transparent and effective: to lock down forum threads. Easy!

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