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Sending a Tweet to @envato_support with your ticket item regarding this issue is the best idea now! Considering it’s the holidays, support is most likely working overtime with the number of tickets flowing in! :) Thank you!

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Are you serious?

Please don’t act so ignorant. Its ok when someone gets rejection on common layout, framework or wrong typography basis. But what you have designed has nothing in it. It is from 19th century, except Envato logo (which is not allowed to use ‘may be’).

Don’t go for submission directly. Take your time. Go through some, in fact ‘many’ related tutorials. Even no wrong in trying to reproduce some of the nice templates as such, just for practice and to test your design capability (once again…not for submission, just for practice). Keep eyes open, go through latest approved themes / templates.

Best Wishes.
Could You give me a tutorial about that ?

If there would be a tutorial on how to build items to be approved on ThemeForest, then… we wouldn’t be called authors anymore… :)

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Effectively the past is the past, and those sales and payments have happened already… we will be supporting our authors.
This is the polite way to announce we are on our own and we are going to have to pay past VAT ourself. “Supporting our authors” just means they’ll provide all the information they can about the buyers in order to fill the VAT declaration properly, which is a position clearly aligned with the new buyer/seller relationship. It all makes sense.

You’re taking it the wrong way. It’s virtually impossible to get past VAT back retroactively. Furthermore, natman has confirmed already that the new changes will NOT affect past sales and that the past is the passed. Stop beating the dead horse! Let’s try and get answers to questions and not repeating the same question over and over again after we got a definitive reply to it! :)

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With respect to your question about sales reversals, I can confirm we are not clawing back or building a system to apply VAT retroactively to past sales. Effectively the past is the past, and those sales and payments have happened already. More generally, as I wrote previously here, Past VAT is something Collis has said he’ll have have a statement on as soon as possible, and that we will be supporting our authors, in line with Envato’s community values. If assistance is required in the meantime, please contact taxinfo@envato.com.

What most likely will happen is that authors that didn’t properly declare their business will have a bit of a headache from 2015. What happened in the past is the past and all your PayPal accounts are filled with payments that state “commission”. I don’t see a reason to stress things. Starting 2015, you remake your business model to include VAT. What was in the past was commission based payment from a company in Australia as your PayPal account shows, so for my country, that was enough until now to not have NO problems with VAT. The EU VAT discussed here is a totally different thing though! :)

Now, let’s get answers to what will happen for 2015. Whoever plans on argumentation with the “situation regarding ThemePunch” I’ll gladly listen to anything you have to say if and only if you know the exact business model ThemePunch applied by, what their country laws are, if they apply to the entire EU, and if ThemePunch themselves had a legal business model for their current country. If not, please keep that argument out of this, because that’s only a bunch of assumptions on what they did / declared and what not.

As far as I’ve seen so far, in regards with natmans post about past VAT. The new changes will be as follows. You’re business model will change (if needed in your country) to suit the new EU VAT law, and you’ll have EU VAT declared by Envato as paid that you’ll just give to your accountant (for authors/sellers). Tadaaa!

This thread is slowly lighting on fire, and as far as I see, except the situation with past VAT’s ( which is every authors individual problem to have declared if needed ) this whole thread is filled with pessimism!

I paid my taxes, my business plan works on the idea that I get ONE monthly salary via PayPal from an Australian based company, I get taxed on that, and voila! This applies to my country, I don’t know if it applies to yours! But, you can keep on getting depressed by reading this thread and reading only the negative parts of it. My suggestion and the suggestion of many is the following. STOP ASSUMING ! GO TALK TO AN ACCOUNTANT!

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With respect to your question about sales reversals, I can confirm we are not clawing back or building a system to apply VAT retroactively to past sales. Effectively the past is the past, and those sales and payments have happened already. More generally, as I wrote previously here, Past VAT is something Collis has said he’ll have have a statement on as soon as possible, and that we will be supporting our authors, in line with Envato’s community values. If assistance is required in the meantime, please contact taxinfo@envato.com.

Solid answer! Glad to hear this! Thank you Nat!! :)

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Just changing to white was not enough in my 2 cents. Every aspect such as boxes that hold buttons, wrappers, etc should have a color change. At the moment, this design would get a very hard reject! :D

My opinion / joke as an author! :P

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it would be incredibly hypocritical to say they’re responsible now, but not then
That’s why it will be very “interesting” to see what they’ll have to state about this (but it won’t happen before 2015).

I doubt that will ever happen, that’s why I keep asking that question. Backcharges for 8 years worth millions of dollars? You do realize that would lead in thousands of law suits. There are around 29.000 authors from what I know of… so… I don’t think that’s an option. The law suits alone from worldwide would destroy Envato financially so much that paying for the vat themselves would’ve been the better choice! So my question stands!

What happens with past VAT’s? Can we get an elaborated answer already?!

this is my opinion as an author, not a mod, not an Envato representative

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And how do you know if you are selling to an EU customer without knowing anything about him?
Because i am “selling” to Envato.. This is the only way we can operate a business here. I am not selling digital goods to buyers which i do not know – i am providing IT services to an Australian company called Envato, which pays me a variable salary on the 15th of each month :-|
Exactly, when I was starting few years ago, I described situation to my Accountant, and we consulted it with local IRS, and in conclusion we do it here similar as KrownThemes says.

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My question which I’ll post until my keyboard breaks is:

I don’t understand one thing. Currently there are MILLIONS of dollars of authors money at stake and yet one simple and repeating question over and over and over and over again is not answered, and this is probably the most important one if not so, one of the most important ones!

What is going to happen with the VAT for sales before 2015? Because we were NOT the sellers until 2 month ago! Please answer this question!

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+1 - if you had to pay VAT until 2015 you had to pay VAT and you should have payed it.. It was always like this – if your country requires you to pay VAT, you should have payed VAT for $XXXX you earned (i’m talking about the % commission). From now on Envato will pay VAT, but until now every authors should have payed VAT (if applicable of course – in our country you only have to pay it if you reach a certain amount of earnings and if you are selling to EU – at least this was how it was until now).

That is correct! Agreed! Now, if this answer come as an official reply, that’d be great!

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What is going to happen with the VAT for sales before 2015? Because we were NOT the sellers until 2 month ago! Please answer this question!

Why you should pay past VAT? for what?

Law does not operate retroactively.

Untill now (end 2014) according to TOS all authors were not described as sellers and always received “commision”, so if you payed all other (income) tax required by your country – you operated fully legally.

I done that already. But this question is still unanswered officially, and that really bothers me! A simple answer like yours from a staff member will suffice!



Can you clarify these few points for us: Country – We know the authors badge can be deleted but why does a country name need to be displayed at all on an authors page? New VAT rules when do these start – 1st Jan 2015? Are their any past liabilities? – As authors we do not sell directly to buyers as this is Envato role, so if there are any past liabilities are these Envatos or the Authors?

The country shouldn’t be displayed on author pages if you’ve opted to not display the country badge. I’ll get that fixed.

New VAT rules begin on January 1st 2015, and these clearly provide for Envato to step in and manage and remit the VAT obligation on behalf of authors.

Past VAT is something Collis has said he’ll have have a statement on as soon as possible, and that we will be supporting our authors, in line with Envato’s community values. If assistance is required in the meantime, please contact taxinfo@envato.com

This reply from Nat bothers me a lot. It seems there will be a statement made regarding past sales and we’ll be “supported” along the way. Something sounds really fishy to me regarding that.

There is a LOT of money at stake here, and I find it absurd that an official answer regarding past sales is NOT given already! Someone please answer this already!

this is my opinion as an author , not as a moderator, and does not reflect the opinion of Envato Staff

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Hi there, it’s the end of the day here in Oz and unfortunately I wasn’t able to finish the latest round of answers. I’ll have them ready for tomorrow though so please check in then. Thanks and sorry about the delay!

I don’t understand one thing. Currently there are MILLIONS of dollars of authors money at stake and yet one simple and repeating question over and over and over and over again is not answered, and this is probably the most important one if not so, one of the most important ones!

What is going to happen with the VAT for sales before 2015? Because we were NOT the sellers until 2 month ago! Please answer this question!

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