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For crying out loud guys!

NOTHING has changed regarding payments except for invoices being added to the statement page. Why are you all making such a fuss about this! Go see a specialist about these matters and stop searching Google for answers.

I gave this comparison a few pages ago, I’ll give it again. Everytime you’re sick and you search on Google why you have a headache chances are 99% of results will say you’ve got some inoperable mess in your head when actually all you have is a common cold!

Things that require expert opinions are NOT matters you should Google! Go talk to an accountant, a legal specialist, a lawyer, a business management expert and get your business models in order!

The world continues to spin, Envato is still here, sales are still happening, all that changed is that we need to report an extra page and we have to update our business models.

I’m really, really really, really, really disappointed to see so many talented and smart people arguing over things that they KNOW they have no knowledge upon! People come to us to get websites built, and people go to accountants and lawyers to get these kinds of matters solved. At the moment you’re all the buyers we dread and fear that try to do things themselves and think they know things better.

Again, Envato is a multi-million dollar business online in plain sight for everyone to see! They are not laundering your money, they are not doing anything that is illegal. Use your logic people. If Envato would do that and ONE author would sue them for a million dollars they would INSTANTLY win. Stop being experts in fields you’re not and go consult experts!

this was NOT a rant, just my opinion. I talked to my specialist in the matter, things are absolutely fine and dandy!

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Now that we’re the sellers, is it ok if we post a “Disclaimer” at the bottom of our item descriptions? I’d like to add something like what’s included in the MIT license:
What sort of things would a disclaimer like this be for, and what would it protect you against? And how does it related to Statements and Invoicing?

Probably against getting sued if a buyer uses one of our components and ends up breaking his page because of lack of knowledge or other reasons.

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Cocomero that’s why it’s important to talk to a specialist who can analyse the terms and update your current business model to the one that will be applied starting February, as fast as possible! :)

Don’t you think that it’s pretty hard while changes are announced Friday 30.01 starting February? :)

This is why I still don’t sell anything on Envato while I have about 10 WP themes waiting for upload. I don’t want to take a risk as VAT is still not charged and there is no evidence Envato is going to handle these transactions properly. I hope so. However for now they don’t.

I see your point, but my latter argument still stands, go see a specialist, get it done as fast as possible! Searching on Google for answers or arguing that it’s happening won’t change anything! Update your business model and stay in the safe zone! Cheers! :)

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Cocomero that’s why it’s important to talk to a specialist who can analyse the terms and update your current business model to the one that will be applied starting February, as fast as possible! :)

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^ this!

Yes please! That’s quite a good question.

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Completely agree with you. I don’t want my exact address on all these invoices.
If this is required by law you have two possibilities :
  • adapt to law
  • stop selling

I said the same thing after searching Google. Envato is a mess, Envato is doing this, Envato is doing that ( and I’m not defending them ) , after speaking to experts in the financial fields and lawyers, boom and voila, everything’s okay. Every country’s government wants your money, wants you to bring money into the country and every government will create conditions for you to make money, so they can get taxes off you! I can 100% bet they don’t care an inch about the full legitimacy of the invoice as long as you are paying taxes for that cash and you have proof their coming from somewhere and that that somewhere in this case Envato is paying taxes, which they are. Every government can adapt and has adaptive business models.

And if you say it’s impossible, well, take an absurdly impossible scenario. Say someone wants to sell Touchscreen Forks with WiFi but is importing the WiFi module from a country that doesn’t have an exact shipping address, only the country and city (as I said absurd) but that company pays all their taxes and they are legit. Do you think the government will care? Nope! As long as that company is paying taxes, and you’re paying taxes, they don’t care.

Go talk to an expert on this matter, stop searching the web, you’ll only get deeper and deeper into a state of confusion and paranoid induced anger that will only cause you unnecessary stress. Talk to a proper financial accountant / lawyer, give them Envato’s address, TOS, blog posts and tell them you want to sell using Envato, and ask them what you need to do given the current circumstances to be legal. Simple.

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Mate, that’s your personal problem and prerogative, not mine. The fact that I care about my privacy and you don’t has nothing to do with me.

And for your information, I know what I need to know about matters regarding invoices in my country. I’m surprised you didn’t figure this out by now, but I’m actually a freelancer, not a lawyer! Shocking, right?

Dude you should get some fresh air. If there is no need for an adress in your country that’s cool, In all other countries there is the possibility of setting up a post box adress for a few bucks per month, if you like it even in a different city than the apartment where you live. That’s all I’m saying, the need for an adress does not mean you have to tell people where you live and “hide your millions”.

As I mentioned above, it was not a rant or a rage outburst. Sorry if I’ve offended you. The current system doesn’t show an exact address, only City, State, Country, and that’s quite enough! Consider the hiding millions part. Check the top author page. You see their sales, you see the amounts items go for, you can do the math right? Now, say addresses were needed. You buy an item from a top seller, boom, you know where he lives…

The problem is some countries ask that invoices have full addresses and I said that those authors need to talk to a expert in the matter to find a solution around this, because adding full addresses to the invoices is out of the question considering my previous post, see my point now? :)

onioneye cheers mate! :)

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Enabled, I’m surprised how few you seem to know about requirements on invoices in many countries. Guess what, you can see the adress of multi billion dollar companies like amazon, google and facebook on their website or on invoices issued by them (in Amazon’s case). Those are the adress’ of the company of course, not the private adress of the ceo or something. And if you don’t want your private adress to be on invoices, create a post box adress or rent an office or whatever. But there needs to be an adress on an invoice, simply to be able to identify the seller. A name and a country is simply not enough for that. People who are afraid of getting their money stolen will surely have some bucks left to create an adress for their company. I really don’t understand all the whining here about adresses being leaked to anyone. On my freelance invoices, I have my office adress printed on (as this is a legal requirement here).

Mate, that’s your personal problem and prerogative, not mine. The fact that I care about my privacy and you don’t has nothing to do with me.

And for your information, I know what I need to know about matters regarding invoices in my country. I’m surprised you didn’t figure this out by now, but I’m actually a freelancer, not a lawyer! Shocking, right?

I’d love to see you share your private information all over the web and I’d love to believe we live in a perfect world where these things don’t happen, but, sadly, news reports all over the web with different business robbed because some guy found out they had money.

And your Google and Amazon examples, seriously? Why didn’t you say the government has an address listed. Those are companies with tens of thousands of employed personnel and security systems worth millions of dollars, we’re PEOPLE living in HOUSES, with regular doors earning decent bucks.

I’m sorry mate, but your argument is invalid. Put a million dollars in your house, then advertise that together with your address all over the web. I’m curious how you’ll sleep at night. And there are quite a few authors here who earned that amount, and there are quite a few people in the world that would do you harm for one tenth of that amount!

Everyone!

Stop getting all rattled up and following this herd movement! Please read and DO NOT TL;DR the following.

Privacy is vital! The current system doesn’t give the exact address and that is perfect, especially since 99.9% of the people here work from home, not from a reinforced building or a company with security and so on and so forth. If 3-5 countries in the world need exact addresses, then they should incorporate a business model that doesn’t need that and I’m pretty sure there are ways to work around that if you’d stop searching the web for answers and visit a legal adviser.

Here’s the problem with topics like these. Everyone is a freelancer, and everyone is an expert at financing and international laws, because everyone has Google. No offence guys, I’m not panicking and 80% of big names on this community are not panicking either because we did something very smart, we didn’t Google it, we went and talked to a SPECIALIST, you know, the guys in suits that spend 7 years in law school and learn their asses off? Go talk to one of those guys, pay him, show him Envato’s new TOS, and he’ll find a way for you to work on it.

The fact that everyone here is giving different solutions, for the same country only makes me think that everyone is Goggling on a different page.

Furthermore, I’m not saying this in Envato’s defense, but seriously?! Envato is A HUGE COMPANY, wide open ONLINE for everyone to see! Do you honestly believe they are laundering money or doing evasions on the wide open web? How absurd can you guys be?! If they’d do ANYTHING illegal they’d be in jail instantly. The only illegal thing here should be searching for financial things on Google rather than talking to experts about it! It’s exactly like searching the web for neck pain, 99% of sites will tell you you’re suffering from some rare form of disease only the guys in nuclear reactors get, and in fact, it’s just a sore throat!

HUGE NOTE!

Sorry if this seems like I’m angry / raging, but I can assure you I’m not. It’s just that threads like these have the herd effect. Someone starts saying something bad, everyone follows that guy.

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+1: Full address and company details and some other “little things” are mandatory
I must have missed that. Where do Envato state that the supply of address details is mandatory?
@clarecomm – In my country you need all the company details on invoice (as is it also written by many users). Please read also post from @Cocomero, @motionvids, @7Studio, ... I only agree with them. These invoices “from us” are nonsense.

No offence, but for million dollar authors to give you their home address, I doubt that will ever happen. Best way to attract thieves, why not include a picture of the house key while we’re here.

There has a to be a different way for the affected countries to fix this, because no author who sells tens of thousands of dollars in his rightful mind with all the details about sales, interviews on Envato Notes and so on and so forth will give his exact address on an invoice.

Later Edit I already see top selling authors reaching 1 Million dollars and their first Envato Notes Interview being ” I invested 300.000$ in a bullet proof door, also hired private security, and I’m waiting for my house to get hit at any moment because 50.000+ people have my exact address and probably even more know I’ve made more than 1 million dollars”

Sorry for the pun, but it’s a valid point :)

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...... that invoice is illegal in most UE countries because it doesn’t contain full details of an author….....

In SOME, not most EU countries. There are actually only a few where it’s not ok.

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