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For people saying that VAT will only take place from 2015, here’s how my invoice from ASmallOrange from both 2013 and 2014.. and they’re from US http://prntscr.com/5hut0r . So the fact that Envato didn’t charge VAT is their problem and mistake.
Are you sure ?“630000 Novosibirsk, Russian Federation. Lenina St 24. Skillbrains.”
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Guys, stop quoting that design, it takes so much space that reading anything else becomes extremely hard.. pretty much anything looks better than the current white, but that design wouldn’t make it much better, if they’d make a contest they’d get lots of better designs than that one.
What are the next steps?
Getting some more vague replies for the next 6 months, I guess?
They’re in the middle of discussing it and are carefully reviewing everything that we’re discussing, that certainly makes us very happy and satisfied and changes the whole situation.
But blaim who? The authors? Not a chance
I mean, if they will ask us to be the real sellers in 2015 and we’d have to choose, fine, but to say that we’ve been the sellers since the beginning and to, potentially, put us to declare all the past transactions and pay the VAT for them just because they don’t want to take the responsability for it is simply not going to cut it. And they’re very responsible for it, since they never provided the info of the customers to us, doing so now won’t change a thing, that’s what lawsuits are for.
And saying that no author here would have the financial power to take a lawsuit with Envato.. Let me doubt that, there are lots of people that managed to got hundreds of thousands of dollars here and the evidence is pretty clear in our favour. Even so, multiple authors can easily team up, since the goal is the same for everybody.
Most of us may be over-reacting and taking things to extreme, but that’s only because we’re not given any respect at all and all the answers are vague and making us look the sellers and having ALL the responsability, for literally EVERYTHING.
It doesn’t take a damn month to write a post about how things will go in 2015.
And you can’t announce new terms and a new business model in 2015, AFTER 1st January, implying that all the authors automatically agree to it. If I’ll sell here on January 1, it will not be according to your new “changes”, but to the same terms I signed to 3 years ago. With having a comission paid on 15th of each month.
Effectively the past is the past, and those sales and payments have happened already… we will be supporting our authors.This is the polite way to announce we are on our own and we are going to have to pay past VAT ourself. “Supporting our authors” just means they’ll provide all the information they can about the buyers in order to fill the VAT declaration properly, which is a position clearly aligned with the new buyer/seller relationship. It all makes sense.
Authors, prepare yourselves. This is bad. Let’s hope this is not a misinterpretation, but apparently, since they aren’t saying anything else(for weeks now), the above is the truth.
“Community values” – the funniest joke of Envato all-time.
Business 101: How to ruin your own company. Provided to you by the one and only Envato.
It looks bad. Better than the current one(I don’t think it can’t get worse without using comic sans), but still not much of an improvement to justify a total re-design.
I’ll write the same message here as well, in case censorship decides to show up on the other one
If you buy credits on the site and then buy a item, what’s the “direct transation” between authors and the buyer? Envato is the one “selling” credits on the site, credits which can be used to get different items. The buyer pays Envato, which gets the money and then Envato sends the money to the author, there’s nothing that can change in this process, unless they will remove credits altogether and accept only direct transactions(paypal, skrill, credit card) to our accounts, directly.
As long as I don’t get every detail of my customers and the money directly in my account, in real-time, you can’t call me the seller. It’s pretty obvious. You can’t say I sold something directly and have me wait 45 days to get my money. That’s just non-sense.
And authors can’t be liable for past VAT simply because they always called it as a comission and they never gave us any detail about any customer. Past PayPal transaction show “comission” too, this is easy to prove in a lawsuit. I mean, if any of us will get into trouble, there will be no other measure other than suing Envato for forcing us to break the law.
And for authors that simply decided to quit in.. 2012.. or 2013, died or whatever other scenario, what will you do? You can’t say “Hey there, you know, we misused the word comission and now you have to pay VAT for all your past transactions.” Nooope.
And you can’t invoice using author’s personal data, that’s illegal. eBay, google play, etc have NOTHING, NOTHING to do with the selling process here. nothing in common.
I wonder what they’ll do, actually, since if they wanted to get us to “sign” any document that would make us approve that we’re the direct sellers if we want to continue publishing here, they would’ve done it before now, to give us at least a month, but now since it’s already 13th December, they can’t do it in a reasonable timeframe.
And basically they can’t ask for our info till 1st of January since many of us will be on vacation / without internet connection. So I’m really curious what you’ll add on the invoice.
btw: Scenario: I work with 4 authors and make $50k a month. $25k goes to my account and $25k to 4 authors, let’s say $6k each. I will only get $25k from Envato withdrawal, the rest of $25k are withdrawn directly to their account and they never arrive in my account. Do you seriously want me to declare $50k? Or withdraw $50k directly to my account and then make the payments myself? That’s just non-sense. Ohh and wait, according to your rules, it’s not $50k that I will need to declare, that’s just 70%. I should declare around $70k from which $20k are paid to you for your “services”. Oh wait, but I never receive those money and I never make any payment to you. But hey, I’m sure the tax man will totally understand this. I mean, I declare $70k, I get $25k in hand, the rest of $45k simply vanished.