Posts by FinalDestiny

1958 posts Don't Worry, Be Happy
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FinalDestiny says

I’ll write the same message here as well, in case censorship decides to show up on the other one

If you buy credits on the site and then buy a item, what’s the “direct transation” between authors and the buyer? :) Envato is the one “selling” credits on the site, credits which can be used to get different items. The buyer pays Envato, which gets the money and then Envato sends the money to the author, there’s nothing that can change in this process, unless they will remove credits altogether and accept only direct transactions(paypal, skrill, credit card) to our accounts, directly.

As long as I don’t get every detail of my customers and the money directly in my account, in real-time, you can’t call me the seller. It’s pretty obvious. You can’t say I sold something directly and have me wait 45 days to get my money. That’s just non-sense.

And authors can’t be liable for past VAT simply because they always called it as a comission and they never gave us any detail about any customer. Past PayPal transaction show “comission” too, this is easy to prove in a lawsuit. I mean, if any of us will get into trouble, there will be no other measure other than suing Envato for forcing us to break the law.

And for authors that simply decided to quit in.. 2012.. or 2013, died or whatever other scenario, what will you do? :D You can’t say “Hey there, you know, we misused the word comission and now you have to pay VAT for all your past transactions.” Nooope.

And you can’t invoice using author’s personal data, that’s illegal. :) eBay, google play, etc have NOTHING, NOTHING to do with the selling process here. nothing in common.

I wonder what they’ll do, actually, since if they wanted to get us to “sign” any document that would make us approve that we’re the direct sellers if we want to continue publishing here, they would’ve done it before now, to give us at least a month, but now since it’s already 13th December, they can’t do it in a reasonable timeframe.

And basically they can’t ask for our info till 1st of January since many of us will be on vacation / without internet connection. So I’m really curious what you’ll add on the invoice.

btw: Scenario: I work with 4 authors and make $50k a month. $25k goes to my account and $25k to 4 authors, let’s say $6k each. I will only get $25k from Envato withdrawal, the rest of $25k are withdrawn directly to their account and they never arrive in my account. Do you seriously want me to declare $50k? Or withdraw $50k directly to my account and then make the payments myself? That’s just non-sense. Ohh and wait, according to your rules, it’s not $50k that I will need to declare, that’s just 70%. I should declare around $70k from which $20k are paid to you for your “services”. Oh wait, but I never receive those money and I never make any payment to you. But hey, I’m sure the tax man will totally understand this. I mean, I declare $70k, I get $25k in hand, the rest of $45k simply vanished.

1958 posts Don't Worry, Be Happy
  • Sells items exclusively on Envato Market
  • Elite Author: Sold more than $75,000 on Envato Market
  • Made it to the Authors' Hall of Fame
  • Has referred 200+ members
+8 more
FinalDestiny says

If you buy credits on the site and then buy a item, what’s the “direct transation” between authors and the buyer? :) Envato is the one “selling” credits on the site, credits which can be used to get different items. The buyer pays Envato, which gets the money and then Envato sends the money to the author, there’s nothing that can change in this process, unless they will remove credits altogether and accept only direct transactions(paypal, skrill, credit card) to our accounts, directly.

As long as I don’t get every detail of my customers and the money directly in my account, in real-time, you can’t call me the seller. It’s pretty obvious. You can’t say I sold something directly and have me wait 45 days to get my money. That’s just non-sense.

And authors can’t be liable for past VAT simply because they always called it as a comission and they never gave us any detail about any customer. Past PayPal transaction show “comission” too, this is easy to prove in a lawsuit. I mean, if any of us will get into trouble, there will be no other measure other than suing Envato for forcing us to break the law.

And for authors that simply decided to quit in.. 2012.. or 2013, died or whatever other scenario, what will you do? :D You can’t say “Hey there, you know, we misused the word comission and now you have to pay VAT for all your past transactions.” Nooope.

And you can’t invoice using author’s personal data, that’s illegal. :) eBay, google play, etc have NOTHING, NOTHING to do with the selling process here. nothing in common.

I wonder what they’ll do, actually, since if they wanted to get us to “sign” any document that would make us approve that we’re the direct sellers if we want to continue publishing here, they would’ve done it before now, to give us at least a month, but now since it’s already 13th December, they can’t do it in a reasonable timeframe.

And basically they can’t ask for our info till 1st of January since many of us will be on vacation / without internet connection. So I’m really curious what you’ll add on the invoice.

btw: Scenario: I work with 4 authors and make $50k a month. $25k goes to my account and $25k to 4 authors, let’s say $6k each. I will only get $25k from Envato withdrawal, the rest of $25k are withdrawn directly to their account and they never arrive in my account. Do you seriously want me to declare $50k? Or withdraw $50k directly to my account and then make the payments myself? That’s just non-sense. Ohh and wait, according to your rules, it’s not $50k that I will need to declare, that’s just 70%. I should declare around $70k from which $20k are paid to you for your “services”. Oh wait, but I never receive those money and I never make any payment to you. But hey, I’m sure the tax man will totally understand this. I mean, I declare $70k, I get $25k in hand, the rest of $45k simply vanished.

1958 posts Don't Worry, Be Happy
  • Sells items exclusively on Envato Market
  • Elite Author: Sold more than $75,000 on Envato Market
  • Made it to the Authors' Hall of Fame
  • Has referred 200+ members
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FinalDestiny says

@maioriz It has nothing to do with the author, blame EU rules for that, you’ll be charged more according to your country’s VAT rate and not to the author’s country VAT :) If you don’t want to pay it, you’ll need to move to somewhere outside EU :)

This won’t happen just on Envato, but everywhere else. And it’s pretty much how things go when you buy anything, when you go to a shop and buy anything, you pay a price with VAT already added in it.

p.s. stop spamming please

1958 posts Don't Worry, Be Happy
  • Sells items exclusively on Envato Market
  • Elite Author: Sold more than $75,000 on Envato Market
  • Made it to the Authors' Hall of Fame
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FinalDestiny says

How about we make our own “petition” of reverting to the original gray? Seriously, this white is monstruous and patching it with a userstyle is not the solution. If you want to have the old styling back, please write it here. And don’t let the thread die. :)

1958 posts Don't Worry, Be Happy
  • Sells items exclusively on Envato Market
  • Elite Author: Sold more than $75,000 on Envato Market
  • Made it to the Authors' Hall of Fame
  • Has referred 200+ members
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FinalDestiny says

Invoice should go from Author to Customer directly, money should flow from Customer to Author directly, Envato should be paid for their services by Author :)

So exactly why do we pay 30-50% to Envato? :D To showcase our products? If we’d have to do all the work related to a business, Envato is no longer worth it, not even close.

1958 posts Don't Worry, Be Happy
  • Sells items exclusively on Envato Market
  • Elite Author: Sold more than $75,000 on Envato Market
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FinalDestiny says

After 15 more minutes, a new message: This is absolutely desastruous, seriously. Whoever did this should seriously consider his skills and rollback to the previous version, with all my respect. You can’t do this on a marketplace where we get rejected for 1 px errors. In 5 minutes with Firebug, every author here can do something to improve it, apparently only the people that were behind this “great idea” are happy with the change.

Also the time spent on the marketplaces will dramatically drop, I honestly won’t open the forums for more than 1-2 minutes, perhaps just to check whether Collis writes another vague post or not. :D

1958 posts Don't Worry, Be Happy
  • Sells items exclusively on Envato Market
  • Elite Author: Sold more than $75,000 on Envato Market
  • Made it to the Authors' Hall of Fame
  • Has referred 200+ members
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FinalDestiny says

Did guy guys do this change in order to prevent bots from visiting us due to the site’s ugliness?

1958 posts Don't Worry, Be Happy
  • Sells items exclusively on Envato Market
  • Elite Author: Sold more than $75,000 on Envato Market
  • Made it to the Authors' Hall of Fame
  • Has referred 200+ members
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FinalDestiny says

I’d give it a hard reject. Seriously, it looks horrrrrrRRIBLE.

1958 posts Don't Worry, Be Happy
  • Sells items exclusively on Envato Market
  • Elite Author: Sold more than $75,000 on Envato Market
  • Made it to the Authors' Hall of Fame
  • Has referred 200+ members
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FinalDestiny says

^ May be everything started from 2020 vision… Too much of looong sights such as 25M?

Going like this, it’s hard to imagine even 2016 around here. :D

1958 posts Don't Worry, Be Happy
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  • Elite Author: Sold more than $75,000 on Envato Market
  • Made it to the Authors' Hall of Fame
  • Has referred 200+ members
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FinalDestiny says

The latest reply from Collis is from one month ago. Way to do business, always a pleasure.

http://www.envato.com/community

You can remove that page, since it has absolutely nothing to do with the Envato brand. Seriously.

Unfortunately for me, since Collis came “back” a few months ago, pretty much everything started going in the wrong direction, running for profits only. I know it’s not that simple, but it’s just something I noticed. :) The dissapearance of the $1M author celebrations, the Envato Elite program, the review process, the new “support” policy, our big problem with the relationship between envato – authors – buyers, microlancer stuff everywhere and many other things. And honestly, all these started showing up from the beginning of the year, spring or so. That’s quite exactly when Collis announced that he’ll come back “on-board” and involve himself more than before. Coincidence? Maybe. But I doubt it.

Just bumping this topic, not that anyone would actually care about us, the little authors. :P

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