After reading the whole thread i have to say I have never seen a better example for the saying: “the way to hell is paved with good intentions”. Lets recap:
What Envato wanted to do:..........
Did I miss anything? Seems like a classic lose/lose/lose situation
By the way I am not really thrilled either by the fact that someone who abandoned the marketplace a few years back now gets a better deal than the authors who stayed and helped growing it. I can see that its sometimes necessary to bend or break the rules but I simply dont see why this is the case here.
Amazingly, that covers it within a nutshell. I said this before, that if Envato wanted to do pursue this, they should have created a new marketplace website for 100% GPL specific authors and themes only and kept it separate from TF.
Anyway, I see you as the lead author at TF (a respectable one at that), and your insight into this fiasco is definitely on the mark.
Thank you for the answer, Japh!
Legally I know I have every right to do so, but I just want to know what’s Envato’s stance on this ?
Hey Kris, I imagine we’d have to take these on a case by case basis. It would really depend on the specific scenario whether we believed the agreement had been breached.As far as the GPL goes you may legally have every right to do so, but as far as the exclusivity agreement goes, they’re not the same.
They are not the same but they are definitely in conflict.
I said this in another posting elsewhere that If Envato wanted to include 100% GPL, they should have done all this as a separate marketplace site dedicated strictly to 100% GPL themes and authors only. It should really be kept separate from Theme Forest….as you can see the result.
Wow…. just spent the last 3 hours reading multiple threads about this and WooThemes…a lot of very upset people (both developers and even buyers). I can definitely understand the frustration on many levels, but here is my quick take on all this…
Envato royally messed up on the launch of this license because there are some serious questions being asked and there are no answers, probably due to the fact they are unable to answer what they should have known before implementing the 100% GPL, and of course, open doors for WooThemes (and who knows who will be next).
There are pro’s and con’s to the 100% GPL, but the reality is that the choice is given to the author to convert or submit themes that are under this license. The real downside to the 100% GPL option is simply the fact that anyone can buy the theme(s) and take them and add them to their own site to sell or even give away freely.
I personally feel Envato should have left the 100% GPL out of the picture here at ThemeForest, or kept it to a new marketplace website dedicated solely on 100% GPL themes only. This would give a fresh clean start for the company and authors, but would make licensing easier and clearer without controversy, conflicts, and confusion.
13b just says “if GPL licensed item, none of what we said so far applies anymore”. Since GPL grants redistribute rights, the buyer can use as many times as he wants.
It also means someone can take the theme(s) and put them on their own site and sell them, or even give away free.
VF saidAs @purethemes guessed, this was done by us to make things fair for existing authors, and not swamp the home page and date sorting with WooThemes’ 30 themes.
Btw, looks like the entire WooTheme’s portfolio (30 items) approved on 26th March but all of their items listed back from the first week of February, losing a lot of initial exposure? For me it looks like an unfair trick (from buyer point of view), although I am not a fan of 100% GPL. Technically how can an item approved today manages to stay behind the items that are approved a few months back? If this date based sorting is possible to hack, how can we assure if the ratings and relevance based sorting also not hacked already?
Also…. did every single theme get “reviewed” before being admitted to the list? I’m guessing not.
......With that said, I’m going to ask the community team to contact our top 20 authors to see if any are planning to make use of the new option, so we can highlight them when we send out this month’s EnvatoMail.
Honestly, that doesn’t seem fair to the rest of the authors….it should be for all. Because what that looks like is that Envato only cares about the top 20 authors. You might want to rethink that plan.
Greetings! I just sent the link to my Morphology, so here’s crossing fingers, which is a Bounty winner. Cheers!