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haha a few say it has nothing to do with the other topic but keep bringing up the same regurgitated messages…. I agree with everything DS has said,

If someone was to try and buy their way to the top, it would not be financially viable, they would get an extra couple of sales from being #1 but it wouldn’t create enough to make their “investment” worth it. To do it properly they would have to do it over many weeks and by then Envato would have become suspicious and could end up removing them from the site.

Everything is pure speculation, a few say there was an attempt at rigging the system but others believe it was pure coincedence a couple of bulk sales matured at the same time. We will never be privvy to the details between the authors and the buyers, and Envato and the buyers so you will never know if it was 100% legit deals or there were some “tampering” in regards to spreading the deals out.

Using the new sale tracked app, you can see theme 1 has out-sold theme 2 every day except the bulk day, this shows that buyers are buying the theme they like rather than the one up the top, without going back a few weeks and checking sales, 2 probably has had an increase in sales due to the new position but it doesn’t look enough to be able to say that it’s enough to keep them there. Now if they had paid to put their item at the top then in my view it has been pointless as they haven’t succeeded in the quest, they may be #1 but their sales haven’t increased to reflect that position.

I personally wouldn’t waste thousands of dollars on my own items if I didn’t think I would see a return on my invest, a return is a profit which outweighs the cost and risk of doing the “job”. Unless someone is completely brainless or just has too much money, they wouldn’t try and game the system as the disadvantages far outweight the gains.

I’ll say this again until one of you that are still defending this answers: Are you saying it’s not financially viable for book publishers to buy their way onto the NYT Bestseller list? That the sticker saying they’re a NYT Bestseller means nothing to consumers and the book’s sales even after they are no longer at the top of the NYT Bestseller list?

Your theories of it not being financially viable have already been disproven by other similar industries. It happens, and will happen here if we don’t discourage it by not including bulk purchases on the top files list.

Buying your way to the top of the bookseller list is different, there is huge marketing appeal from it, it would be in every newspaper, bookshop and in magazines, there is a benefit to doing it. On Envato the benefits are much smaller as it’s a closed shop business, there is not national press coverage, no tv interviews etc.

Look at the sales stats, so far it’s not been financially viable for the author to do it, there hasn’t been a pickup in sales to make it worth the effort. If it has happened then there is not a lot you can do about it is there as it’s happened, and if it has Envato would be kicking backsides so it doesn’t happen again.

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.and why those industries don’t count bulk sales on their top lists.

the industries have a “partner” who do all the counting / leaderboards (e.g. billboard chart).

Envato run their own, Envato are a business, Envato are going to publish the bulk sales as it makes the items look better, also works in their marketing, More sales = more exposure for Envato.

I swear some people forget the fact Envato are a private company and they have to look after their own interests, hiding the fact someone has spent $100k on themes would be suicide, it’s a great way to go “Hey, this company trusts us to build their sites”.

If someone wants to buy the top spot, let them as they will quickly get banned and lose everything, Envato aren’t stupid, they will spot the trick a mile off and kick the author to the kerb.

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haha a few say it has nothing to do with the other topic but keep bringing up the same regurgitated messages…. I agree with everything DS has said,

If someone was to try and buy their way to the top, it would not be financially viable, they would get an extra couple of sales from being #1 but it wouldn’t create enough to make their “investment” worth it. To do it properly they would have to do it over many weeks and by then Envato would have become suspicious and could end up removing them from the site.

Everything is pure speculation, a few say there was an attempt at rigging the system but others believe it was pure coincedence a couple of bulk sales matured at the same time. We will never be privvy to the details between the authors and the buyers, and Envato and the buyers so you will never know if it was 100% legit deals or there were some “tampering” in regards to spreading the deals out.

Using the new sale tracked app, you can see theme 1 has out-sold theme 2 every day except the bulk day, this shows that buyers are buying the theme they like rather than the one up the top, without going back a few weeks and checking sales, 2 probably has had an increase in sales due to the new position but it doesn’t look enough to be able to say that it’s enough to keep them there. Now if they had paid to put their item at the top then in my view it has been pointless as they haven’t succeeded in the quest, they may be #1 but their sales haven’t increased to reflect that position.

I personally wouldn’t waste thousands of dollars on my own items if I didn’t think I would see a return on my invest, a return is a profit which outweighs the cost and risk of doing the “job”. Unless someone is completely brainless or just has too much money, they wouldn’t try and game the system as the disadvantages far outweight the gains.

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+1 There is absolutely no reason for anyone to purchase 1000 licenses than speculating.

there are so many reasons why someone might want 1000 licenses e.g

A large company want to launch lots of mini sites, they buy a license for each site they want (Theme X did a bulk deal with a government)

I (as a web design company) want to use a theme on all of my clients sites, I buy 1000 licenses to cover my needs for X time.

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I really hope that the team at Envato pick up on this thread, and put something in to action to encourage/force theme authors to provide better quality demo content packages. If Envato put in place JUST A BIT of quality control around demo content on themes submitted by authors, we would be in a much better place. There must not be ANYTHING in place now, there just can’t be judging by the stuff that comes through.

It’s a very sad truth that virtually all the themes I buy come with numerous problems when trying to import demo content. Either the documentation does not match the files in the package, or the import has errors, or if it does miraculously work – looks nothing like the demo displayed by the author. What’s the point?!

Myself, and I am sure many others, choose a theme based on the initial look of it from the author’s demo. We would then like to install the theme and load the demo content so it looks exactly like the demo. Is that too much to ask? Is it?!

I know that some advanced themes with page builders, shortcodes and so on are difficult to import, but how hard would it be to provide a WP Clone (by WP Academy) of the website?

We could install Wordpress, install the WP Clone plugin, and restore the site. Create a new admin user and you’re there! Doesn’t that sound a lot easier than importing XML files, widget files, setting-up menus, and on and on with all the tweaks. I don’t know why the current method even exists as it is, it’s ridiculous!

PLEASE SOMEONE IN ENVATO ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS.

It is the biggest headache virtually every time I buy a theme. We are even at the point where we try to re-use themes we have already bought, because we just know buying a new theme is going to be an absolute nightmare. That reduces sales for Envato, and the authors – and if a lot of people have the same issues as me, then that is a lot of missed sales.

Including import xml files are default in WP and the recommended method, if you would like a different import then it’s better to speak to the developer and ask them about getting a WP clone version.

I don’t think Envato would make it mandatory to use WP clone etc as most buyers will be ok with the current system, it’s also the recommended WP method and in my case, I don’t install the demo data as it just adds more time for me, I just build the site as I need.

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Steve, take a look at this, would need to be amended to do the adwords thing though

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In reality they are still sales, it’s not the first time it’s happened as UNO slider got to #1 on CC with 2 bulk sales, but it’s only kicking off as it’s on Themeforest… are TF authors a little more fickle?
amazon, nielsen and many others top selling lists providers beg to differ.

but loads of other companies do the same as Envato

my dad works for a large international car manufacturer and each country promotes it’s sales figures each quarter, our country has been one of the top sellers for 6 quarters as there are large fleet deals being done with our government.

Now if they weren’t allowed to add fleet deals then they wouldn’t be even close to the top (the USA / Japan would).

Different examples work for different industries, do I think Envato should stop this happening? probably as it can disfigure the numbers, but it’s unlikely to happen as it makes Envato’s sales look better for the buyers, and Envato can use the 1000 bulk sale line in marketing.

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You are opening yourself upto slander for making accusations like that, your comments could be construed as defamation and Themeco woud be in their rights to sue you.
dude, learn to read. I said “a bunch of deals” not an “author”. The bulk purchases bought the top spot, not individual TF sales.

That’s a fact.

apologies, missed that part, I picked on your post but a lot of others have been saying it so it’s a useful post…

In reality they are still sales, it’s not the first time it’s happened as UNO slider got to #1 on CC with 2 bulk sales, but it’s only kicking off as it’s on Themeforest… are TF authors a little more fickle?

At the end of the day, they are legit sales, the buyer has bought the licenses so imho they should count towards the sales for that item (but it might be that they aren’t added to the weekly sales list (not sure if they could do this)

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We feel they should show up as sales, because they are sales
you’re not in good company then because every serious top-selling list (music, books and so on) excludes bulk orders for a reason.

You just allowed a bunch of deals (whose internals/financial details you know nothing about) to buy the 1st spot in TF popular page.

First time i can say i’m glad not being in theme fusion shoes.

seriously, yet another accusation without any proof, Collis has iterated in the post that if someone was to bulk buy in multiple bundles then the sales would be added at the same time, and not over the weeks or months when the buyer “buys” the licenses.

You are opening yourself upto slander for making accusations like that, your comments could be construed as defamation and Themeco woud be in their rights to sue you.

Unless you have categoric proof then you cannot make comments like that

Collis and Envato would have checked out the buyers (see the s) before and made sure nothing was being done which could be mischevious, it’s more than likely the 3 deals came to fruition at the same time, I worked for a large multi-national retailier and our deals would come in spurts, one week we would sign off 10 deals and the next would be none.

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The posts are being deleted as they are breaking the rules on calling out other authors / their items by insinuating that the theme developers have done the deal and are using it to get to the top spot.

There is no proof and envato would have checked the deal before going ahead, the developers and the webinar promoter know each other but that is expected when you are spending thousands on an item and promoting it.

Unless you have categoric proof you can’t go around saying they have done this or that as it makes you and envato liable to slander, and under many laws envato have to remove items if reported by the accused.

Debate the facts e.g. the massive purchase has affected the top spot but don’t try and put 2 and 2 together to get 6, this will get you in a lot of trouble.
When you flag/delete the facts there is no point debating it. It’s clear what is going on here now.

it’s only clear when you use clear spectacles, at the moment you’re looking at it through rose tinted specs. You are putting 2 and 2 together and getting 6.

I admit, the situation looks fishy, but there are many reasons why it’s not including:

- envato would have checked the buyer out

- envato would have flagged up 3 massive purchases by one buyer in 3 weeks

Envato could easily come out and say all 3 purchases were by different buyers for different projects, but you will still find a reason to not believe it just happens to be coincedence that this can happen (3 large purchases a week a part).

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