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JaredRitchey says

I have no idea why the idea or concept of a developers license is so complex to grasp.

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JaredRitchey says

there is no such thing as “developer license” you can find all the license and their definitions here: http://themeforest.net/licenses to be more precise if you look at the table on the licenses page, last line refers to a “developer license”. Is clearly stated you can’t use any of the items under this type of license.

Right, there was discussion there might eventually be a developers license.

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JaredRitchey says

Lance, didn’t have and don’t have time to read the entire thread(s) following these changes in past days. Can you summarize for me the following;

Licenses are being pursued by Envato as;

Regular, Extended, Developer and Tools is that correct?

I think separating developer from extended is a real smart move. I can’t imagine how the level of sales will collapse if those options aren’t explored.

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JaredRitchey says

Unfortunately i agree with Kris32 and OrangeIdea . I was preparing to release a new wp theme that use 2 plugins from CC when i see the changes in the license. I had to contact the authors and ask for permission. I hope we see a ” developer license” soon.

Same boat I’m in and it could sink on me.

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JaredRitchey says

Take for instance the Code Canyon product for Points of Interest Google Map. I already contacted the developer to build me a custom version because of the license restriction but if a developers license for $149.95 or $249.95 or even $349.95 were offered, I’d buy.

I’m about to submit a WordPress Post Planner plugin to Envato. I’m guessing they will set the price like most other plugins, if I had an option to OPT INTO a developers unlimited use license for say $150, I’d jump on it.

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JaredRitchey says

The way i read them, the extended licenses are nice if you have a single product that you own, to which you want to add value, i.e. your work does not conflict with the code your trying to incorporate. This single product can be sold, so everybody buying your product ( single product) aren’t paying any additional costs for the code you incorporated.
You missed the point just a tad, the extended license in fact does NOT allow for inclusion which is what concerned me. I was able to get that clarified in as much.

In fact this type of licensing, outside this marketplace cost a lot and on average around $1000+ depending on the product and is usually done behind closed doors, so between you and the company letting you use their code in this way. Envato and the authors who enabled their items to have an extended license are giving you this at minimum cost.
My point exactly. Like I mentioned, back in the 90’s when we use to build apps in VB and C++ we could go to any number of vendors that sold development tools such as controls, forms, and other enhancements as code snippet libraries which developers used in the production of their software products.

My suggestion for a developers license would in as much be of similar intent. I myself think that I could increase sales on Envato if people could buy my items with a multi site or developers package.

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JaredRitchey says

Yeah exactly, and as I mentioned in the other thread, I use to purchase “interface controls” for my VB applications since they were developers licenses I could build my own products and sell, give away as shareware, do whatever. Of course this was back in the 90’s when such things were cool but the point is, as a developer, people buy controls, interface elements, code snippets and the like as many software products available are built using multiple tools.

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JaredRitchey says

Well here is another way to look at this. When I use to build VB apps long ago we use to purchase what are called “interface controls” published by developers that allow you to extend your product.

Back then, I’d buy modules and controls for our apps and I could distribute them as I saw fit because the people publishing these “addons” for lack of a better term did so as developer tools or under a developers license.

They specified number of seats in the license and you purchased accordingly.

This is in my opinion one of the options needed to clear up some confusion and if its something we can OPT INTO in order to extend a developers or multi site license I think I could sell more.

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JaredRitchey says

Following the thread on the license changes I see that I wasn’t the only one that believed an extended license allowed for multiple uses. Case in point is an extended license I purchased and used in a product I make available for my hosting clients. The developer of the “Code Canyon” item had no problem with it but as I read yesterday and today, its actually a violation of the use license here at Envato. Now I’m contracting an assistant PHP developer to help me build my own version just because.

I’d like to see if anyone would consider an “OPT INTO” Developers License for certain items. To clarify what I think many consider a Developers License would be to articulate it by saying that when I look at products I’ve purchased recently. WPTouch Pro, Gravity Forms, JS Highslide, and EXT JS, all of which I purchased developer licenses for since each as a single use license wasn’t befitting of my role in building end user solutions.

I see tremendous value in offering a developers license not only because it increases sales but people rip us off all the time. When I use to sell turnkey OSCommerce themes years ago people frequently ripped me off by bundling my themes and selling them on eBay and such, it didn’t occur to me back then that other options may have helped to increase my revenue. It wasn’t until recently that we started offering our main products with multi license types did I see an increase in sales and a reduction of my stuff being pimped on WAREZ sites. In fact I removed the domain validation and serial number requirement on our MLS plugin and sales went up.

Marketing people know that the more ways you make available for people to buy your product, the more likely they will. Maybe we could suggest to Envato to have multiple licenses we as developers and as purchases can decide which to opt into.

Standard License, Extended License, Tools License and Developers License, etc with provisions etc etc etc and so on.

I’ve been in chat sessions with some of the designers I follow here and they think offering multi site options a good way to increase revenue. I’d happily post my three products here under such terms…..

Your thoughts?

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JaredRitchey says

(if they purchased an extended license of course)?
Of course what? Do you mean that if an extended version were purchased you would allow the item to be part of a new work? Believe it or not, literally thousands of people believed or “mis understood” the extended license to mean just that. I’m holding off on further purchases for a brief time until an option for a developer is offered.
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