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JonnyShogun says

Had some free time today, here’s the complete plugin install/update class github repo and a video showing how it works Japh, please let us know if we can use it instead of the TGM activation class.

Great job @bitfade !! Hopefully JAPH gives this the OK. It looks much cleaner than the TGM activation class. :)

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I’d say with 99% certainty that theme options will obviously be in the theme. Clue is in the name, and as they only affect our own theme’s characteristics it’d be illogical to put them in a plugin.
Clue is in that PHASE 2 guidelines are IN DRAFT and subject to change based on feedback.

I don’t think it should be in a plugin.. but @teamcrisis you are not envato staff, envato support, or JAPH. So until they respond back about whats said in support vs requirements page. I will go by the 3 emails from envato support regarding Phase 2. TeamCrisis, you telling me what you think makes no difference to me.. I don’t think you understand what IN DRAFT means! :)

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I’d say with 99% certainty that theme options will obviously be in the theme. Clue is in the name, and as they only affect our own theme’s characteristics it’d be illogical to put them in a plugin.

Clue is in that PHASE 2 guidelines are IN DRAFT and subject to change based on feedback.

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Honestly think you’re stressing for no reason. It really doesn’t matter what all these different confused support staff are telling you, the newly posted req’s are correct.
Not stressed, just waiting on JAPH’s reply for clarification :)
I really don’t see what clarification you need. It’s written in black and white on the requirements page.

you didn’t read my previous comments, before your 2 cents:

If you look on the requirements page under PHASE 2. It says it is only a DRAFT, and subject to feedback So it being a DRAFT, meaning that ENVATO SUPPORT is still sketching all the details out regarding PHASE 2.

I emailed ENVATO SUPPORT, if option pages need to go into a plugin since in their DRAFT it says Theme Option Frameworks. After several emails back and forth with support and the review team, they were telling me different from what was on the guidelines page. ENVATO SUPPORT told me that ANY additions and functionality to the theme will have to be refactored as plugin, that is not core. But that’s not until Phase 2 in November. So i contacted ENVATO SUPPORT to re-clarify and they checked with the review team again, and said the same thing. So after several days and several emails back and forth. I posted in this forum to ask JAPH regarding the confusion on how the requirements page show something different than what ENVATO SUPPORT tells you when you email SUPPORT. So JAPH asked me for my support ticket ID, (which i gave him). And he said he will look into clarifying with the support team about the differences of the requirements page, versus what Envato Support tell you.. so there is no confusion.

So the PHASE 2 guidelines are still a DRAFT and subject to change based on feedback. :)

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Honestly think you’re stressing for no reason. It really doesn’t matter what all these different confused support staff are telling you, the newly posted req’s are correct.

Not stressed, just waiting on JAPH’s reply for clarification :)

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I think you should stop interpreting what Envato email support say, and instead post exact words in another thread so we can make determination for ourselves. Otherwise, this issue is solely your own and not an issue the rest of us need to worry about.
You are wrong.. Like i said im waiting for JAPH to reply with clarification :)

Think you might need to read them again, directly from the guidelines page:

Functionality not related to the customisation of visual aspects of a theme must be added via plugins as much as possible. For example:


Allowed in theme:

  • Theme options frameworks
  • Page builders
    Must be in plugin:
  • Custom Post Types
  • Shortcodes

You should read the previous comments. I know what the guidelines pages says.. but Envato support is saying different when you email them about it. So that is why JAPH is going to clarify with Envato Support and the Review team about the differences of the guidelines page, forum, and what we hear back when we contact Envato support.. JAPH should be posting here soon hopefully with clarification.

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I think you should stop interpreting what Envato email support say, and instead post exact words in another thread so we can make determination for ourselves. Otherwise, this issue is solely your own and not an issue the rest of us need to worry about.

You are wrong.. Like i said im waiting for JAPH to reply with clarification :)

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Wait for support, but I don’t think anyone else needs to worry about this. I think this is simply a special circumstance or possibly a simple misunderstanding by you or support.

@teamCrisis All your doing is stating what you think, and not reading or understanding my comments. Like i said its nothing special to me. You don’t know what was fully said in my several emails with Enavato support. That’s why I’m waiting on JAPH to clarify, and don’t need you to tell me what you THINK they meant. That’s why if you read past comments, JAPH said he would clarify with ENVATO support. So its not a big deal since it has to do with Phase 2 in November :)

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I think your situation different or you simply confused by meaning of core. I don’t know, but hopefully Japh and support can help you figure out your situation. It seems confusing to me too.

My situation isn’t different, when i contacted ENVATO support, i asked specific questions about option panels (wp administration panels). And after back and forth through support ticket emails… they said that:

That the move to a plugin is only applicable for Phase 2, starting in November. And ANY ADDITIONS to a theme need to be refactored as plugins instead of being directly integrated to a themes core. ..

So it will not just be me and my situation. Thats what ENAVTO SUPPORT said, your interpretation of what they said, doesnt matter. That is why it is is best to wait for clarification from JAPH while he looks up my Ticket ID. Since the guidelines and forum, are different from what Enavato Support is saying..

Im waiting, until we get clarification on the confusion of whats being said. :)

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I am still waiting on a definitive answer from JAPH and ENVATO SUPPORT, since when i emailed support about option panels, they told me: that ALL functionality that is NOT core, must be ported to a plugin for the Phase 2 starting in November. JAPH asked for my Support Ticket ID so he can investigate this. So i am still waiting on clarification from JAPH and ENVATO SUPPORT STAFF on the confusion since we are being told different things on the forum and through Envato support tickets. Hopefully we get an answer soon. :)

Yes, theme option is core part of theme, so it is ok. That why Japh has said in many post over past week that option panel need not be in plugin. Also, you see on requirements page it says option panels are allowed in theme.

I think maybe you confuse what “core” means. Envato says theme options are core feature of theme because it can’t be used anywhere else and is typically only used for aesthetic theme changes. No reason to have these options a plugin and available to other themes.

@themeCrisis Please read my full comment before saying i don’t know what core is. I don’t think you are reading my comments before saying i said something. I don’t want theme options or slider options in a plugin since it is specific to the theme and doesn’t affect data or content. I am not saying it has to be in a plugin, that’s what was told to me by Envato support team in a support ticket, through several emails back and forth.

JAPH asked for my Ticket ID so he could investigate what the review team and envato support team had said in my support ticket. I asked JAPH to clarify since the revised guidelines, phase 2 guidelines, envato support, and the forum staff are showing different things.

Lets not make assumptions and wait until we get clarification regarding this. :)

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