At the end MB you are going to be Sofer Stam…now you ask yourself what is hell is Sofer Stam? Well they are very small group around the globe they master in font topography and they write all the bible by hand , it’s a master work ,it take them long time to make but there so few of them and they charge tons of money on the making
Hehe, maybe. But the thing is: I actually don’t care what renders my programs.
2) And then I care that the end product is the best it can be in as many mediums as can be. Right now when I build an HTML5 website it doesn’t work in as many browsers, it’s slower than the flash product on the browsers it does work on, and unless it’s really basic: it actually breaks most mobiles. So in the end I pick the rendering method that is the most capable and the most cross-device/browser: right now that’s flash desktop + simple HTML mobile for high end graphic/animation intense sites – responsive HTML /jQuery for less intense basic sites. And that’s exactly what I do. But I find that anyone can build the less intense sites, I’m either the cheaper bid or I’m not….sometimes I win sometimes I lose. But the graphically intense sites where I use flash and progressive enhancement…I own that category because I’m putting out websites more interactive AND more accessible than HTML5 .
I doubt a $50 android will ever render as fast as a $1000 desktop: as one progresses so does the other…so I’ll still be providing simpler backup versions for mobiles regardless of the tech I use for desktop for a long time to come, so they don’t figure into which tech I use for the desktop version. And for desktop flash still beats out HTML5 in both workflow and end product…so picking it for the desktop version would make for a more expensive, less capable, and less accessible medium for my clients. That’s not ok with me just in the name of standards…even though believe it or not I like the standards (though I believe there always has to be an outside force pushing past the standards so that they don’t stagnate, that’s flash right now). The moment those situations are reversed flash won’t be ok with me. But they’re not reversed, they are what they are, and right now I’m alone in a progressive enhancement niche starving for cool & accessible websites. Won’t you be my neighbor?
I don’t know if IE10 will be out before window 8 or with window 8 . I do know base on what Microsoft say in window 8 , there browser won’t support flash you will have to enable it or do some fall back to except flash, it’s more like if you have window 7 64 bit you can have the option use of 32 bit. But I can’t tell in 100 % how it will be .
That’s not the full situation. There will be 2 browsers in windows 8, IE10 normal and IE10 metro. IE10 metro looks like a mobile browser in interface even, IE10 normal looks like firefox with an IE logo slapped on it, and has full everything plug-in support just like chrome or FF. IE10 metro is the default browser if someone just clicks on some app that will automatically open up an internet page, but even then meta tags you can include in your markup allow the page to prompt to automatically open in the normal IE10 browser and display just like chrome or FF instead.
Bottom line like many here we do less and less flash work
That’s because people like me that woo the client with dreams of animated flash desktop sites that still have simple and ubiquitously working mobile backups are stealing all your work
MB . I doesn’t matter if js or html5 are so bad in our eye`s .
Bottom line the number 1 market grow today is the mobile world, and if you been ignore from this market you won’t hold there as a flasher… no IOS support, last flash version on android OS ,window 8 for mobile will probably won’t support flash.
So the only way you will be able to bring web flash content is via air/flex and none of us are that crazy going this way, and the rest of your argument are not been relevant.No flash for mobile no flash at all .
That’s the same argument I’ve been making for months, but with a different end result:
step 1 is always look at your project in an honest light to see if it needs flash rendering. And if flash CS6 can output some better HTML5 stuff then that makes more projects fall into this category where you just output HTML5 if the browser can handle the complexity of the project.
step 2 is that if it needs flash instead of telling your client how to dumb down the project and make it not what they really want: you progressively enhance so that mobile/non-flash viewers see the simplified version and anyone with the flash plugin sees the better one. I have had zero client complaints on this, in fact I’ve had clients tell me they chose me over cheaper bids because I’d do this. It’s completely win-win bud, and flash CS6 outputting HTML5 only makes flash programmers more capable of this approach because now they can build the simplified mobile version in the language/UI they know as well.
EDIT : this is a bit off topic, but you know that IE10 metro has meta-tags that you can put in where it will move the user over to the full featured plug-in capable browser to view the website, right?
So now we’re using flash to create non flash applications? Is this the future of flash?
But html5/jquery etc still has only a fraction of the rendering power of the flash plug-in, so high end work needs to stay there and progressively enhance. I’ve tried to do half the stuff I do in HTML5 …technically the spec is there for it, but the graphical power isn’t. It just becomes a browser seizure. And for mobiles it just crashes the browser altogether usually…even fairly simple stuff. The display list of the DOM just carries sooooo much overhead each rendering loop.
I once placed an order at a take away as I always did. Was told it would take 30 minutes. Came to pick it up. Was told another 10 min. half an hour later it was ready. Since that day I have boycotted that takeaway and never ordered from them again. (it was my favorite) But although I order form elsewhere, I love it when some of my friends order from them and share..Meauw
I see your point, but I don’t think the story is analogous I think it would be more analogous if you paid a restaurant $400 for the right to have a reserved seat whenever you want, and the first time you went there they told that it only applied on days of the week that didn’t end in “y”, and that you couldn’t eat today, and then told you it would cost you $200 to uncheck your coat in order to leave without even eating. I think you’d have classified that as a “bad experience” as well
Once you go Mac, you’ll never go back.
Ehhh, I was actually a mac guy a long time ago. Even convinced a few others to switch.
But then I bought a hugely expensive many year warranty on my mac laptop, it broke down, and when I sent it in they gave me some lame excuse why it wasn’t covered and told me I’d have to pay almost $200 just to ship it back still broken. That’s the day I went out and bought a PC for a quarter of the cost of the mac laptop I had bought, and it was faster and ran my programs better (not saying all PC’s are faster than all mac’s, just saying that was the experience I had that day that kind of turned off the “I’m a mac guy” switch just enough to let PC creep and and win me over the more I used it). Since then I’ve had a few jobs where on-site I was on a mac, and they were fine too, but other than that I stayed PC ever since.
Flash is capable of very nice progressive enhancement to work wonderfully with html/js backup on mobiles. I do this for all my client work and even my latest 4 activeden templates. If you’ve got work that needs this then i’m your guy, use my profile page contact form to get in touch
Can I ask an obvious question?
Tell if I’m being stupid, but I’m looking at your most recent theme and I’m thinking (excluding a few intricacies like properly cross platform motion blur and let’s ignore video content for the moment even though HTML5 may provide a solution for that) could not a very similar one be developed in soley html & Js?
If that is the case, (OK development time is going to be more tedious (God I soo hate JQuery syntax) compared with AS3 ) but I mean this way you bypass flash altogether and leverage your sales?I am by no means an ANTI -Flash boy btw. I love flash… Just wanted to get your opinion on that one?
Similar, yes. Quite as good? Only if half the backgrounds/video players/ etc are in flash anyway…
But there’s 2 other things I want to point out on that line:
1) AD sells templates alongside other simpler files and components, rather than it being 2 separate marketplaces. Meaning once I have a dozen or so templates I can start making tons of page modules for sale that can work in any of my templates, all for sale on AD as well. It’s an aspect of AD that isn’t really available in other marketplaces, envato or not, and I think I can take pretty good advantage of it. And in those modules, that’s where you’ll start seeing crazy 3D galleries and such
2) I JUST built the CMS …the CMS is the magic that takes the cool front end and makes it easy on the back end, so who says that’s not exactly what I’m doing with it right now? Converting it to edit HTML sites driven by the same XML files as well, and using flash backgrounds, video players, etc to make them badarse? foreshadowment…....
Although for you, because you already have the CMS system in place your development time might actually be similar or even quicker dare I say.
Bingo With the framework I have in place and use for the flash templates, Ivory took a total of 2 weeks from design to development to documentation, and 1 week of that was just the design. The CMS took a long time to initially build…but now that it’s done I can apply it to a new template in minutes (including custom options and adding new page modules to edit).