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MBMedia says

Also, I should add that you may have mis-read what I was trying to get at. I was saying the Flash CS6 outputting HTML5 /JS would essentially make compiled “JS” written from AS3 a more capable and more appealing way to write javascript that would make it a far more useful way to write large programs, because in it’s current non-OOP state javascript is holding browser rendering back.

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MB . I doesn’t matter if js or html5 are so bad in our eye`s .

Bottom line the number 1 market grow today is the mobile world, and if you been ignore from this market you won’t hold there as a flasher… no IOS support, last flash version on android OS ,window 8 for mobile will probably won’t support flash.

So the only way you will be able to bring web flash content is via air/flex and none of us are that crazy going this way, and the rest of your argument are not been relevant.

No flash for mobile no flash at all .

That’s the same argument I’ve been making for months, but with a different end result:

step 1 is always look at your project in an honest light to see if it needs flash rendering. And if flash CS6 can output some better HTML5 stuff then that makes more projects fall into this category where you just output HTML5 if the browser can handle the complexity of the project.

step 2 is that if it needs flash instead of telling your client how to dumb down the project and make it not what they really want: you progressively enhance so that mobile/non-flash viewers see the simplified version and anyone with the flash plugin sees the better one. I have had zero client complaints on this, in fact I’ve had clients tell me they chose me over cheaper bids because I’d do this. It’s completely win-win bud, and flash CS6 outputting HTML5 only makes flash programmers more capable of this approach because now they can build the simplified mobile version in the language/UI they know as well. :)

EDIT : this is a bit off topic, but you know that IE10 metro has meta-tags that you can put in where it will move the user over to the full featured plug-in capable browser to view the website, right?

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MBMedia says

So now we’re using flash to create non flash applications? Is this the future of flash?

Honestly that alternate ending wouldn’t be so bad. As long as I don’t have to write that horrid excuse for an OOP language called javascript. First time I wrote javascript classes I had to re-do half of it after realizing that new instantiations of classes were inheriting set values from previous intances created. WTF? Then had to re-write it again once realizing that the “this” keyword was pointing to different objects based on the caller (I expect that in normal event functions and crap, it is prototype based after all, but not in a “class” where the “this” keyword is the only way to access public variables and functions of the instance from within the class)...Then I had to re-write it again after realizing that my workaraound for lack of getters/setters by using a getThisProp and setThisProp type functions meant no tweening engine could tween it…then realized that there was basically no workaround for that other than making my own tween engine that worked backwards like that…and then finally gave up. What a mess. I dare anyone to say javascript is a proper OOP language and I’ll walk to their house and slap them.

But html5/jquery etc still has only a fraction of the rendering power of the flash plug-in, so high end work needs to stay there and progressively enhance. I’ve tried to do half the stuff I do in HTML5 …technically the spec is there for it, but the graphical power isn’t. It just becomes a browser seizure. And for mobiles it just crashes the browser altogether usually…even fairly simple stuff. The display list of the DOM just carries sooooo much overhead each rendering loop.

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MBMedia says

Flash is capable of very nice progressive enhancement to work wonderfully with html/js backup on mobiles. I do this for all my client work and even my latest 4 activeden templates. If you’ve got work that needs this then i’m your guy, use my profile page contact form to get in touch :)

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MBMedia says

Can I ask an obvious question?

Tell if I’m being stupid, but I’m looking at your most recent theme and I’m thinking (excluding a few intricacies like properly cross platform motion blur and let’s ignore video content for the moment even though HTML5 may provide a solution for that) could not a very similar one be developed in soley html & Js?

If that is the case, (OK development time is going to be more tedious (God I soo hate JQuery syntax) compared with AS3 ) but I mean this way you bypass flash altogether and leverage your sales?

I am by no means an ANTI -Flash boy btw. I love flash… Just wanted to get your opinion on that one?

Similar, yes. Quite as good? Only if half the backgrounds/video players/ etc are in flash anyway…

But there’s 2 other things I want to point out on that line:

1) AD sells templates alongside other simpler files and components, rather than it being 2 separate marketplaces. Meaning once I have a dozen or so templates I can start making tons of page modules for sale that can work in any of my templates, all for sale on AD as well. It’s an aspect of AD that isn’t really available in other marketplaces, envato or not, and I think I can take pretty good advantage of it. And in those modules, that’s where you’ll start seeing crazy 3D galleries and such :)

2) I JUST built the CMS …the CMS is the magic that takes the cool front end and makes it easy on the back end, so who says that’s not exactly what I’m doing with it right now? Converting it to edit HTML sites driven by the same XML files as well, and using flash backgrounds, video players, etc to make them badarse? foreshadowment…....

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MBMedia says

Although for you, because you already have the CMS system in place your development time might actually be similar or even quicker dare I say.

Bingo :) With the framework I have in place and use for the flash templates, Ivory took a total of 2 weeks from design to development to documentation, and 1 week of that was just the design. The CMS took a long time to initially build…but now that it’s done I can apply it to a new template in minutes (including custom options and adding new page modules to edit).

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MBMedia says

^You take it to the extreme; I was talking about changing color :P .

And SEO with flash was always there from 2006 we just got to sloppy/lazy (cutting expanse) making it and now we try to bring it into the table in the name of SEO /mobile, my clients are not idiotic you know, i can’t sell them this in the name of mobile they are evolving also .

Fact is you look here not much change with flash tamp` you don’t see any stunning stuff with flash, just plain same flash site cos` no one that crazy working for a month and get 10 sells ,not to mention flash 3D no one work with it any more or try to step up .

You say people need to catch up? You are very optimistic; i wish i thought the same but like many there is just less and less flash work and even if I love the book Don Quijote de la Mancha I am far away from that man fighting against wind turbine ……

Yeah, the SEO was always there, but I didn’t use it either unless people asked for it :P The mobile issue is just so much more public and important to clients in my mind.

But I don’t get why you can’t sell that to your clients. I mean, if the site you are developing is better done in HTML , then by all means do it that way, I build HTML sites for clients too when it’s best that way. But if the site would look/function better in flash then telling your clients you can also make that flash mobile friendly is a HUGE selling point in my experience. I’m not saying use it as an excuse to use flash where it’s not beneficial, I’m saying use it as a way to not have to throw away flash even when it is beneficial, because that’s what I see happening a lot. And I’ve had lots of success with clients being happy with flash in that situation.

I’m also not saying that the old days of microstock will come back. XML templates thrived because even though flash was a specialty tool that was never intended to dominate the web, editing HTML templates was much harder, so XML was the easy microstock alternative and flash dominated XML . Now with wordpress that advantage is negated and flash is settling back to being a specialty tool.

I agree that the microstock slice of the market for flash templates should be the smaller slice by far, but I also think that the dip we are seeing is ENORMOUSLY more than it would be if we all worked towards mobile friendly sites, and especially if more of us worked towards content managed sites. Flash is still the specialty minority tool, not the market dominator, I’m not trying to make it dominate, but I don’t think there’s any reason for the flash template microstock world to obliterate either, it has it’s place as long as we keep up with new demands. :)

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MBMedia says


And no, I won’t shut-up until I put myself out of business by making sure every other AD author makes mobile friendly stuff so that mine isn’t even special any more!
What’s that friendly issue about? All we do is add HTML mockup into our flash website in the name of SEO issue, in the flash glory days we didn’t give crap about this issue(as evidence the option of SEO was there from day 1) … the dream 1 flash to all media will never happened + very limited buyer will want to involve them self with 2 technology, I mean those ordinary buyer can’t do minimal HTML modification so they go easy with WP cos it’s much more easy do modify..

They don’t have to modify it :) My buyers don’t have to write a lick of HTML code, the template uses the XML for that as well.

Now I’ve even got a full CMS for them that installs with zero database setup or anything, just upload and log-in. Right now my latest template is easier to install and start editing than wordpress is.

And I don’t say that blindly either, at one point I was the #2 highest selling author on the only theme marketplace that really competes even close at all with TF (pretty sure I can’t mention names in forum though…), and one of my themes over there as been on the top seller list for 24 weeks. I’m not speaking of techs I don’t know or use, and right now my latest flash template is easier and requires less pre-assumed knowledge to set up and use than any wordpress theme I’ve ever made :) Is that for everyone? No. WordPress has it’s place, and it’s a bigger slice of the market than flash. But that doesn’t mean flash’s slice is gone, just means people need to catch up with the newer standards of ease/accessibility that buyers expect :)

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MBMedia says

Flash can be mobile friendly? How does that work… For iphones and stuff.

A bit of PHP code loads in the XML files you use for the flash pages and prints out some basic simplified HTML of the images/videos/text. Either write an .htaccess file to make various mobile links point back to one page of PHP code that outputs the correct page info, or just duplicate the same PHP file for each page and make it detect it’s page url and output the right page data. Automatically makes it SEO friendly too. All my recent templates use this system to work on iPhones, etc, and in fact they were all also designed to be stripped down to nothing and extended for actual flash devs that want to just use them as a framework to build completely custom sites off of.

I’ve found clients prefer it to html sites with responsive design even, because it completely separates the two types of devices (desktops with mouse and keyboard, mobile with touch). So each version is well optimized for each type of interaction. Yeah, you can detect devices and change the interaction on an HTML site too…but few actually do, they usually just change the layout down to 1 column and call it a day. With this it’s automatic that the layout/interaction for desktops and mobiles are 100% separated, so there’s a tendency for each to be very optimized for its intended usage, no give/take so that somethiing works ok on both types, each version works wonderful for it’s intended devices.

It’s a bit daunting at first to think about writing a system that does that, but writing a PHP /JS framework that makes it quick and reproducable for my client flash sites took me about 2 weeks of research and development, and now if I have a month long flash project, it takes me maybe a couple extra days to have it fully mobile friendly. And you’d be surprised how worth it to clients that couple extra days is!

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MBMedia says

HTML5 /jQuery/CSS3 knocks the socks off of flash 7, approaches and is possibly equal to flash 8, but I have tons of flash 9 content that there’s no way I could duplicate in HTML5 , nevertheless flash 10/11 content! I build HTML5 /jQuery stuff (and even wordpress themes!) regularly and I can tell you that while it’s extremely useful…there’s NO WAY I could match any of my really nice flash client work with it, the graphics rendering just isn’t powerful enough, and not all of the capabilities are there.

BUT : Everyone that doesn’t learn to make their flash stuff mobile friendly is of course gonna go obsolete from the website world because of that, and from their perspective it’ll seem like the flash website world is ending (because it is for them…). Flash isn’t dead, but it is changed because of the mobile necessity! I had flash mobile friendly website freelance work yesterday that I got paid for, I have more today that I’ll be paid for, and I have an email for more that I haven’t had time to respond to yet. Keep up, get a name as someone who’s flash is mobile friendly…it puts you ahead of the masses and makes you the first choice for flash work :)

And no, I won’t shut-up until I put myself out of business by making sure every other AD author makes mobile friendly stuff so that mine isn’t even special any more!

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