Posts by MVPThemes

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MVPThemes
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It’s always difficult in a creative space when you’re looking to transfer works between two parties. The original creator will almost always be in a better position to support their own work and buyers of that product are expecting that kind of knowledge. For me, there is a real risk when transferring or purchasing another author’s work that the new owner will have no clue how the item works :)

I’d agree to a certain extent, but that happens all the time in the business world. One company buys another and there’s a transition period where the new owner has to familiarize themselves with the business, with the old owner’s help. It even happens with tech companies. A lot of the time, the initial company stays on in some capacity, but I don’t think it necessarily would need to happen that way for a theme developer to acquire a portfolio of themes and have the old author teach them a few things about the products.

But as long as this isn’t discouraged by Envato, I think that answers my question. I’d imagine that some people might be interested in “cashing out” and selling their portfolio to an author that might be more willing to better support the items.

For example, if an author that makes about $30,000 annually with their portfolio, if they are offered $45,000 by another offer to sell it, it might be mutually beneficial. The seller obviously gets the immediate return, and the buyer gets a $30,000 revenue stream that they can possibly put some time into updating the themes (or just improve sales by branding alone) and turn the $30,000 into $45,000 and get their money back in the first year.

I don’t know if that’s something people would be interested in, but it was a thought that crossed my mind and wanted to make sure it was allowed on the marketplace.

308 posts
  • Helped protect Envato Market against copyright violations
  • Elite Author: Sold more than $75,000 on Envato Market
  • Has sold $500,000+ on Envato Market
  • Made it to the Authors' Hall of Fame
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MVPThemes
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I think I saw that this was against the rules a while back, but I want to know for sure if it was allowed. And if not, why?

I think it would be interesting to either be in the position to acquire other portfolios and/or sell your own at some point, even if it’s not something that Envato facilitates. Of course, if the transaction is done behind the scenes, Envato would have to get involved at some point to transfer the products from one username to another. Just wondering if this is in the realm of possibility.

308 posts
  • Helped protect Envato Market against copyright violations
  • Elite Author: Sold more than $75,000 on Envato Market
  • Has sold $500,000+ on Envato Market
  • Made it to the Authors' Hall of Fame
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MVPThemes
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I know it’s a Thursday/Friday, but I’m at zero sales today so far. I sometimes wonder if Envato manually processes sales sometimes because I’ll go through long periods of 5-10 hours with no sales and then get a handful all at the same time or within a few hours.

This is the ususal pattern every day. Nothing new and nothing unexpected. USA (which is where the majority of my sales come from) goes to bed and the sales stop. When the East coast wakes up, the sales begin again. :D

I seriously doubt envato have developed some sort of super-smart setup where they regulate sales flow. It’s in their interest to sell, sell, sell, so I doubt they would mess with that. No offence! :)

I actually live on the US East Coast, so most of what I’m talking about has to do with long breaks during the day. Sometimes even during the day here, I’ll go 8 hours without a sale, and then all of the sudden I get 2 or 3 sales within an hour or so.

I’m not saying that Envato is withholding sales or anything, I’m just wondering if they don’t actually process sales until a certain time in the day sometimes.

308 posts
  • Helped protect Envato Market against copyright violations
  • Elite Author: Sold more than $75,000 on Envato Market
  • Has sold $500,000+ on Envato Market
  • Made it to the Authors' Hall of Fame
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MVPThemes
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I saw the money being made here (even before Avada) and decided to give it a shot, so I started working on my first theme back in March 2012. Submitted it by May and was rejected a few times and gave it a rest.

Well on July 3, 2012 I was fired from my full-time job for essentially not wanting to work 60+ hours each week (I had just had a son, and was not aware of that expectation when I took the job). So I immediately got back to work on the theme, and it eventually got approved on July 20th.

I released my next theme that October, which completely took off, and I never looked back. I doubled what I was making at the job I was fired from that October, and almost tripled it a year later.

I had a dream of working for myself ever since I was in high school, and when I was in college, I wanted some sort of business where I could wake up to see how much I made overnight, and Envato gave me the exact opportunity that I always wanted.

Envato has allowed me to work from home, and have my wife home to raise our children, which is absolutely invaluable, and after almost 3 years with this as my full-time gig, I still wake up everyday and can’t believe that this is my life.

I’ve said this directly to Collis on several occasions, but I am eternally grateful to Envato as well as my customers for making all of this possible.

In short, Envato has given me the American Dream.

308 posts
  • Helped protect Envato Market against copyright violations
  • Elite Author: Sold more than $75,000 on Envato Market
  • Has sold $500,000+ on Envato Market
  • Made it to the Authors' Hall of Fame
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MVPThemes
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I know it’s a Thursday/Friday, but I’m at zero sales today so far. I sometimes wonder if Envato manually processes sales sometimes because I’ll go through long periods of 5-10 hours with no sales and then get a handful all at the same time or within a few hours.

308 posts
  • Helped protect Envato Market against copyright violations
  • Elite Author: Sold more than $75,000 on Envato Market
  • Has sold $500,000+ on Envato Market
  • Made it to the Authors' Hall of Fame
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MVPThemes
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8 themes, all but maybe 3 were hard rejected on the first try, and at least 2 of them more than once. All have done well though, and with minimal changes from the initial submission. So, it’s not as if the themes went from unsellable to the top files list due to the changes. In fact, one of the themes that was hard rejected twice made it as high as #8 on the top files list…and after only making very minimal changes and basically having to convince the reviewer that people are looking for that type of theme.

308 posts
  • Helped protect Envato Market against copyright violations
  • Elite Author: Sold more than $75,000 on Envato Market
  • Has sold $500,000+ on Envato Market
  • Made it to the Authors' Hall of Fame
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MVPThemes
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Envato has been policing and banning anyone who buys their own items for years now. So let’s not imply they’ll now look the other with bulk orders, anyone who breaks the rules will get banned.

They have been policing the known offenders. You and I both know that people do it anyway.

And now that there is added incentive for authors to do it with these bulk purchases, combined with the fact that authors are making more money now than ever and it will continue to grow, if Envato doesn’t adjust their policies past the “don’t buy your own items” in the TOS, then it’s only going to get worse.

I trust Envato as much as I can, but I’m not blind enough to think that they will do everything in their power to prevent fraud, even though they would benefit from it financially either way. And especially since “everything in their power” should involve removing bulk sales from the top files list, but that is not being done. The only thing that’s being done at the moment is silencing any opposition, which doesn’t look good.

308 posts
  • Helped protect Envato Market against copyright violations
  • Elite Author: Sold more than $75,000 on Envato Market
  • Has sold $500,000+ on Envato Market
  • Made it to the Authors' Hall of Fame
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MVPThemes
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And yet again, my posts are being removed even though I’m not accusing or insinuating anyone of any wrongdoing.

I’ll try this again:

I think most of the resistance to removing bulk sales from the top files list comes from a place of “that would never happen here” and mostly because there’s this sense that Envato would never allow it to happen….even though they directly benefit from allowing it to happen, which only increases the chances of it actually happening here.

So, rather than just resolve the issue altogether (as best we can) by removing bulk sales from the top files list, people are actually advocating that we leave the policing of this situation in the hands of the very entity that stands to profit from every bulk sale?

Again, this discussion has nothing to do with any previous transactions. It is a discussion about the potential for issues in the future, so there is no reason to delete posts like this.

308 posts
  • Helped protect Envato Market against copyright violations
  • Elite Author: Sold more than $75,000 on Envato Market
  • Has sold $500,000+ on Envato Market
  • Made it to the Authors' Hall of Fame
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MVPThemes
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Buying your way to the top of the bookseller list is different, there is huge marketing appeal from it, it would be in every newspaper, bookshop and in magazines, there is a benefit to doing it. On Envato the benefits are much smaller as it’s a closed shop business, there is not national press coverage, no tv interviews etc. Look at the sales stats, so far it’s not been financially viable for the author to do it, there hasn’t been a pickup in sales to make it worth the effort. If it has happened then there is not a lot you can do about it is there as it’s happened, and if it has Envato would be kicking backsides so it doesn’t happen again.

This is an extremely short-sighted way of looking at things, as if all of the top theme authors will always have the income they do now and it won’t become even more financially viable to shell out the money for the top spot a we continue to grow.

Regardless of that, there are ways to minimize your financial risk in buying your own themes to the point where you’re not actually spending any money. It has been mentioned here, but those posts were deleted.

Bottom line is that there are no arguments for it not being financially viable, even now. There are ways of minimizing all risks involved and people will take those risks, especially the more money authors begin to make on here. It’s up to Envato to discourage it. And right now, there doesn’t seem to be any interest in doing so, since they stand to profit from all of it.

308 posts
  • Helped protect Envato Market against copyright violations
  • Elite Author: Sold more than $75,000 on Envato Market
  • Has sold $500,000+ on Envato Market
  • Made it to the Authors' Hall of Fame
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MVPThemes
says

the industries have a “partner” who do all the counting / leaderboards (e.g. billboard chart).

Envato run their own, Envato are a business, Envato are going to publish the bulk sales as it makes the items look better, also works in their marketing, More sales = more exposure for Envato.

I swear some people forget the fact Envato are a private company and they have to look after their own interests, hiding the fact someone has spent $100k on themes would be suicide, it’s a great way to go “Hey, this company trusts us to build their sites”.

If someone wants to buy the top spot, let them as they will quickly get banned and lose everything, Envato aren’t stupid, they will spot the trick a mile off and kick the author to the kerb.

Yes, the other industries have an unbiased third party to run their lists, which is more to my point that given that the top list is Envato’s, that’s a bit of a conflict of interest. Given that it’s in their best interest to inflate the numbers, but that they’re also in charge of making sure that the numbers are pure and unperverted. You can’t do both, especially when a ton of money is on the line.

I don’t expect Envato to be anything but a business. But that doesn’t mean we should just accept that Envato should do nothing to combat fraud and just always look out for their bottom line and that’s it.

This is a very simple issue. Removing bulk sales from the top files list would discourage the practice of buying your way to the top. It may not get rid of it altogether, but it would certainly make it harder. The only downside to this would be that bulk sales simply would not show up for the week that the bulk sale occurred. In other words, that one author would not get to advertise that they were the #1 in sales for the week. That’s literally the only downside.

The upside is that you don’t encourage the activity and the top files list is able to stay organic.

But to Envato, that is actually a downside, because I believe they actually want to encourage bulk sales (legitimate or no) since they benefit either way, at least in the short term. In the long run, they may not benefit because the top files list will become perverted and less meaningful, which could spill over onto any files that are sold here being less meaningful given the bloated sales figures that customers can no longer rely on.

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