Now I have a question, Please imagine a competitor (with a long history of membership) tries to take down new members item with false claims/false DMCA, What do you say to him? What behavior should i have with him?It has passed, but sometimes i think about it.
I haven’t had much experience with DMCA issue so I can’t speak from experience. If that happened I would contact Envato and give them my side of the story. After that, hopefully I’d be calm enough to contact the other author. That’s not easy for me. I try to play fair and get pretty heated when I feel others are not, but I’d try.
The reason I suggest making contact is it’s easy to forget there is a real person on the other end. You need them to see you as a person, not a company or some abstract avatar.
So you’re both just stealing from item ‘X’ instead? I don’t really see why that’s better.
If you’re worried about item ‘A’ sending a DMCA based on your design being similar to theirs, my advise is to contact them directly or come up with something more original.
I would contact the author of item ‘A’ directly. I’ve done it before. If you think your concept is similar to theirs but original, send a courtesy email. Offer to share mock ups or details and ask them how they feel. We’re technically all competitors but I think of every author I’ve met as a friend too. Show them respect and they’ll show some back.
I’ve never met an author from ThemeForest in person and walked away thinking anything but awesome positive stuff. They’re always nice and excited to meet in real life. I don’t know how many I’ve met now, a few dozen at least, and they are all great people.
And you’re thinking about making item C?
If you are just a designer or just a developer, your opinion is biased. Of course you think what you do is the most important.
I do the full development process. The initial research, design concept, HTML template /front-end development, WordPress conversion, support and updates. I am telling you from my experience that just a PSD file is not worth half the earnings of a WordPress theme for the lifetime of the product.
You don’t have to believe me but until you have done it yourself you can’t tell me otherwise.
Point is, none of their success would’ve happened unless Luke Beck sat down and thought up that design, and carefully constructed the blueprint for Envato’s most popular theme, and that’s why designers should get their fair share of the profits too.
Nobody is arguing that. The question comes down to what is fair, and in my experience 50/50 is not the answer.
@digitalscience What do you consider a fair split? Who hosts the files and manages the payout distributions?
It’s all extra work that one person must do. The other person sits back and collects the money.
Another interesting point: The updates of the theme must be More than a simply Bux-Fix, so what about the design of the new features? In this case, 50-50 is fair because we’re talking about a Team, not just a separated designer and developer.
More than 90% of updates, including new features, use existing styles. I’ve done major updates with minimal extra design work.
I have read most of your comments. You all guys want to give 20-25% to the designers. Why??? Because you give future supports and all updates needed. Well than I have a good offer for you all. You just develop the wordpress theme. Thats all for you. I will give supports, updates etc (I have guy for those). So, Will you take 25% only for wp development? Thats a great offer for you atleast huh???You guys always think design is just some clicks of photoshop. Change your mind. Or be a designer also, than you will realize the thing
I am a designer. I have a design degree, not programming or computer science. If I don’t have to maintain the theme and it’s hosted on your account where you handle 100% of the updates, support and everything from the release going forward, sure. I can move on to the next project and work without any further obligation. If you only provided the PSD, I would want 35%, but if you hand over a working HTML template to convert to WordPress and there are no requirements to do anything after the release, 25% is just fine.
A developer spends half their week (usually more) just on maintenance and then they get the other half to work on new projects if they’re lucky. They have trouble producing new products because they’re spending all the time maintaining existing ones. It’s all about the time requirements. That’s exactly what we’ve been saying.
Hi Guys. Just my one cent.
Most of good selling themes was sold because of Cool design first and after that because of Support/development etc.Keep in mind when you wanna do a partnership with somebody who have a great design.
There have been a number of themes on the best seller list, even the top seller for many months, that I thought were ugly (I won’t specify names ). I’m not arguing that design is not important, obviously it is, but don’t kid yourself that it’s the most important thing when talking about an CMS based product.
A great design can turn out looking terrible if you have a developer that’s not very good. Just let them do a crappy job on the CSS and before you know it there is this incredible drawing in Photoshop that you can’t stand in the browser because they couldn’t translate the design into a working template. And I’ll tell you from first hand experience, it’s really hard to do. I often joke that my PSD is a perfect example of what my theme will never look like. It is that hard to get the design to convert and retail the same style and beauty.
If I was only a designer and not a developer also, I do not think I would have the perspective to contribute to this conversation. It’s only because I’ve done every step, many times that I understand the challenges. That’s how I place a value on different tasks.