I think it’s quite senseless to keep talking about this “thing”, but maybe some of you should re-think about it again:
Why do Sample Library manufacturers produce their content ?
Do you think anyone will only “listen” to this kinda releases ? Or did they maybe release these loops and sounds as a tool for producers… wait i didn’t say “Artists”, yes i said Producer.
What can you expect from a producer ? Well the name explains it, he “produces” a product, song, track, or call it compiling different sounds. Does he care if he is called an artist ? Does the final (average) consumer of the music care if it’s so called art or not ?
If you don’t wan’t to use loops, thats fine, just don’t use them. If you call the ones that do use lopps “cheater”, thats your opinion and should not be made public, unless you want to make yourself be recognised as a moralizer and intolerant person.
If it’s not allowed on AJ, then we all should respect that and i think that this is a valid point to talk about and inform support if rules have been broken. Just please stop judging the work of others by your own standards and ideology, the world would be a better place if we just left some room for others and respect whatever they do as long as they do not harm anyone else !
Congrats you deserve it Mat – Swiss Quality all the way
Ok Mihai, you’re an Artist then. I’m happy if people enjoy my music, i don’t care if they see me as an artist, producer, dj, psychologist or toilet seat cleaner Because everyone is worth the same.
bass loop + chords loop + lead loop + drum loop, all made by other = my music
So, in your opinion this is art? we are not talking about THIS, we’re talking of assembling the tracks from a “construction kit”, no left or right, just “as suggested by factory”.
probably my english is sometimes not good enough to describe what i meant. I ONLY said i would NOT judge what is art and what is not…. no one can judge about that as everyone in this world has a different taste or point of view. I simply tried to explain that it’s not our job here to argue about “is this art or only this” ... as long as it’s not breaking any rules or laws, everyone is free to do as he likes within this boundaries.
no reply from support so far, but the search function seems to work again on Authors Portfolios since this morning.
Anyone else ?
ok, i’ve sent a support ticket with a link to this thread. Let’s see how long it will take until this is solved.
Still don’t get my point Lets keep it simple :
A wise man once said :
“There are 2 types of Music, the one i like, and the one i don’t”
Sometimes even the most complicated free Jazz stuff simply bores the untrained listener, while maybe another “producer” is able to combine 2-3 Loops so perfect and minimalsitic that the overall feel and listening experience is fantastic. I don’t like the kind of people going to a museum and standing in front of a picture arguing if it’s art or not. Watch it and enjoy it or simply skip to the next one, it’s impossible to find a common sense in taste, art, technique or whatever you might call it. But everyone seems to know it better than his fellow “Musician” or “Artist” ....
Well, what should i say if you are open minded and check the music history you will realize, there where always people doing something where the majority blamed them for not beeing artistic.
- Introduction of electric Guitars and distorted amp settings
- Keyboards on Rock Music
- The Tekkno or Techno genre
- Using Audio Tracks on a Computer
- Using Preset Sonds from Synths
- Usage of Autotune
And so on. If you listen to the radio, you will find all of this there. Many, many tracks almost completely based on a few loops.
At the end the customer decides what will suit his needs, he will never think “Oh, this is not artistic enough”...otherwise go and check the Top Selling Tracks page and tell me where the creative and never heard before stuff is on there
But as i said, i’m not judging if they did brake the rules by using these loops, this is up to Envato and not to us Authors to judge. And i gave up 20 years ago to judge what is artistic and what not, at least i keep it as my own personal opinion and keep open minded for anything out there.
So anyone else ? I will open a support ticket if a third person can confirm that.
FxProSound said+100000000 My sentiment exactly
Making tunes totally from loops means you’re not an artist or even producer – just assembling person in factory
So, going to Jazz school and playing all that you have learned / copied from your teacher is wayyyy more artistic. Playing that simple over and over used blues sheme is better ? Creating the 1001 Ukulele Clap Track genius ? Do we really need to argue what is artistic and what not ? Everyone has it’s own taste and feelings about that. Some call shiting in a corner also art