Updates is where the value is, if updates are free forever then this is a huge loss for authors selling via Envato Marketplaces. We have always had an option for customers to pay us for support and after 6 months their free support expires and they have the choice to pay for support and for us, buyers do not want to pay for support, we’ve seen this in our numbers. They just don’t see the value in paying for support.
The true value for both buyer and authors is with charging for updates. Buyers will pay for the value that is given in updates as they want to continue to have working/compatible themes/plugins, and new features added. (Customer should not be grandfathered)
Charging for updates should become an opt-in option on the marketplaces and once enough authors switch to this more authors will see the value in providing updates, buyers will be happy and the overall quality on themes/plugins provided on ThemeForest.net should improve over time as files are getting updated more often than when updates were free for the life-time of the product.Envato, you should look at the business models of all the massive WordPress companies, you’ll see the trend is that they provide updates and support for a yearly/6month fee.
It really depends on your skill level and process – and if you’re familiar with the framework that you’re using (or your own). It also depends on the type of theme you’re doing. If you’re going to rock out another multi-purpose 100 demo’s in one theme, then it may take you a long while…
My team and I typically take about 1 to 1.5 months. Any longer than that and you’re pushing the risk of not getting a decent return (as sales aren’t as great as they were back when Envato/ThemeForest was awesome.
Good stuff! Congrats!
Adding this to user agreement won’t change anything. Please correct me if I’m wrong.
It changes A LOT. Envato themselves admitted that for the 30% they’d market the items and the whole support idea. This + selling on the same price changes everything because now everyone is aligned. When you start promoting the “opt-in” items which sell for the same price, you’re robbing buyers of a choice. Marketing 101. It won’t really matter that opt-out authors will most surely support their items still, for good business practice. The new model is and will be pushed prominently enough. Have no doubt about that.In the end this new version is just a tricky way to get all authors in time under the opt-in umbrella. Envato noticed the original version made too much of a wave so they just changed the strategy a bit making authors want to join in time, not because of the huge extra income it provides, but to escape the no-sales-land that they’ll find themselves in later.
Not sure if you’re aware of it, thought I’d make sure by saying it. If you place any of the items you have in your TF portfolio on public repo’s – or anywhere with public access to copy for that matter – you’re basically breaking your exclusivity agreement with Envato, so tread carefully.
Oh that’s right. Forgot about that.
ThemeBeans saidThe TOS has always stated that this is a platform where WE sell our products directly, as collis unfortunately pointed out. You know their true intention was commission yet they had that bit in their TOS to save themselves from taxes. All in all, Envato is showing as a dishonest company and I don’t trust such companies.
abhimanyusharma003 saidYea, it’s technically a commission rate in every way that I can think of – though they’re saying we always sold directly to the customer, with Envato taking their commission out of our sale – not the reverse, which is the way nearly every author believes the system works as.
ThemeBeans saidIt’s always a commission rate, now they changed it
Plus, like others said – it’s not a “commission rate” apparently. It’s a “fee” we’re “charged” automatically…
Precisely – basically a bait and switch type of game their playing…
Envato doesn’t care what type of theme you’re doing – as long as it’s multi-purpose and sells thousands of copies that very few people can actually use
Plus, the more unique your item is, the less chance you have of getting it accepted. Go figure lol
I recently tried logging in to delete my account, but couldn’t find out how… so I replaced my API codes with a random assortment of letters to bonk it. The whole thing is very spammy.
We have a a global and a regular sticky. The post was set as regular instead of global sticky, so maybe someone hit the wrong button. Either way, this area is top of mind whether this post is sticky or not. We haven’t forgot about it
There’s too many “oops, wrong button/we’re still here” going around. Really, something this big should not be handled by someone who would make even a simple careless mistake as such… It sends mountains of inconsistency and makes it seem like Envato is indeed trying to sweep things under the rug.
Want to maintain a trustworthy relationship with your authors? Keep things in the light.
Just my 2 cents.