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ThemesDepot says

I’m curious how this would work:

Some theme authors include 3rd party plugins with their theme for sale, but then don’t offer support for the plugin (some authors state this fact on their item descriptions, some just forward their customers to the plugin author’s support site). How would this work with the new support system? Would theme authors be required to support ALL 3rd party plugins with their theme?

Maybe the best solution is to allow the theme customer to purchase a “support package” from the CodeCanyon author (even though they technically didn’t buy the plugin individually), and then the customer could get support from the best source, and the CodeCanyon author could get compensated beyond the “Extended License” sale. Then if the theme author didn’t include support for the plugin, they could still include it with their theme as long as they somewhere state “Support not included for xyz plugin, but it can be purchased separately here”.

I don’t think this would work. Many authors modify those plugins for their purposes, why the author of the plugin would ever want to provide support for something that has been modified? An example is visual composer, there are many themes using it, and many of them, modify the look and functionalities.

Anyways, and i’m not the only one thinking it, the whole thing of allowing authors to bundle premium plugins into a theme is completely wrong. Here’s just one of the many reasons http://themeforest.net/forums/thread/visual-composer-licence-key/133679

Will Envato ever change his mind on this?

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ThemesDepot says

Your article here http://support.envato.com/index.php?/Knowledgebase/Article/View/236/51/what-links-can-i-place-in-my-item-description-preview-or-the-in-download-itself says

(including linking to items for sale on your personal website)

What am i supposed to do in the following scenario:

  • I build a theme, the theme is approved for sale on ThemeForest
  • The Theme relies on a free plugin i built
  • To extend the functionalities of the theme, the user can purchase addons. These addons are sold outside the Envato Market.

Are you saying i’m not allowed to post a link into the description to indicate to the buyer that the theme is compatible with “Plugin X” and “Plugin Y” and “Plugin Z”, how is the buyer supposed to know that for “X” feature, he has to purchase the addon “Plugin X”? This is basically the same as the themes that have already been approved on ThemeForest and that are compatible either with WooCommerce or Easy Digital Downloads, specifically some of these themes are indicating that their theme is compatible with these addons and placing the links where the users can buy those addons, and no the addons are not available on the Envato Market.

So, how does it actually work?

Thank you.

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ThemesDepot says

< sarcasm > For WordPress themes nowdays you need:

  • Make sure you pack 5 themes in 1
  • 1000 options
  • at least 3 Premium Sliders
    • Just in case revolution slider and layerslider are not enough, pack 2 more sliders.
  • don’t forget hundreds of shortcodes
If the above is not enough, do this:
  • Go To CodeCanyon
  • navigate to WordPress section
  • order the items by sales
  • Pick some more plugins that have thousands of sale and pack it into your theme

And to finish, make your theme look from average to outstanding. Here’s the magic behind popular themes.

< / sarcasm >

Maybe not even that much sarcasm.

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ThemesDepot says


Well this is new, everyday you learn something new here, so what are these themes doing here http://themeforest.net/category/wordpress?page=147 shouldn’t they all be exterminated instead of “soft-rejected” ? :confused:
Agreed, I think they should do a spring cleaning on very old files.

I personally have nothing against those items, but it doesn’t make any sense disabling a 4 months old item because not “unique” when there are items that should actually be removed because old.

If the item was not “unique” it shouldn’t have been approved in first place.

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ThemesDepot says

Well this is new, everyday you learn something new here, so what are these themes doing here http://themeforest.net/category/wordpress?page=147 shouldn’t they all be exterminated instead of “soft-rejected” ? :confused:

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ThemesDepot says

And i was thinking to move to DO too… well after this, i might need to reconsider that.

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ThemesDepot says



... But Envato could do a much better job at representing all authors here by pricing themes more appropriately.

We should be asking for better pricing, not necessarily higher theme regulation, because as we all know that will never happen.

Exactly. This is what needs to be discussed more to avoid complex regulations / restrictions.

Everyone may remember there was a price increment tool introduced for Elite authors. That approach can resolve this issue upto certain extent, since many authors would have no problem raising the price upto 2 or 1.5 times a minimal functional item offers. Sadly the price increment tool discontinued – may be it deserves to be allowed again with some necessary restrictions if preferred.
No, that won’t fix it, it will only ruin it for those authors. If you put $100 as the price for your item, do you think someone will pay extra $40 or $45 just to get your theme instead of another 150-in-1 theme? Unless this is forced by Envato, manual adjustation by some users won’t make any difference

+1

It is Envato that has to raise prices for all multipurpose themes with all those variations . Not the single author. The single author will never do it.

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ThemesDepot says

I think Envato’s put itself into a bad position, it was already a marketplace which sold themes at relatively cheap prices, and over time themes are now bundled with multiple components which makes these items even more ridiculously good value for money and as a result Envato is becoming less of an innovative creative site, but more of “value for money” type of site. This forces authors to be less innovative and creative and focus more on features and value just to stay competitive.

It’s also becoming less easier for single authors to compete and it now takes a team of several authors to put in the hours to build these themes, and also not to mention the support needed with these elaborate feature packed items.

Envato seems to have it’s head in the clouds still and thinks this is not really an issue, but if you read forums and reviews outside of Envato it paints a different picture about Envato, and that it is really ruining the theme industry as a whole with their quantity over quality standards.

And authors have been complaining here about these topics for years, yet no significant changes happen. It almost feels like ThemeForest has been abandoned in terms of major improvements, I feel it’s reached it’s peak and it’s all down hill for here. The focus is really on other start ups like Envato Studio and the next big idea. Envato just wants to keep expanding and extend its reach as far into the creative industry as it can, but it’s starting to spread itself out too thinly, it’s not listening to what authors want or buyers either, it’s no longer a fair competitive environment anymore, it’s difficult to navigate content, the search is poor and eventually the bubble is going to burst and other marketplaces will close that gap which Envato is not filling right now.

Couldn’t have said it better, and after 20 days that this topic has been open, no answer yet from ANY of the staff.

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ThemesDepot says

23 pages of themes that do not follow those guidelines http://themeforest.net/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&category=wordpress&term=awesome

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ThemesDepot says

Wait, so now, to publish a theme on ThemeForest we need to create 30+ variations? Because the latest approved themes show that. Seems it’s the only way to survive in this marketplace, it’s getting absurd, in a few months we’ll see 60+ demo variations for 55$.

When will Envato acknowledge this? And do something?

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