Posts by argosmedia

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argosmedia says

I agree that most designs look alike. I am often quite frustrated when browsing through the endless number of themes looking for that special one matching my (clients) wishes, that I can use as a starting point. I am beginning to hate the sliders and portfolios. It seems that most templates are focused on bloggers and creatives that use big beautiful pictures on their sites. But most clients (at least mine) are small to medium sized companies, that don’t need or want big sliders and big pictures and slick jquery portfolios. They focus on information. So what i am looking for is attractive designs that offer a solid start for an information based website (that don’t fall apart in IE7 and 8, by the way). With logo spaces and menu shapes and locations in different ways, with layouts that are not basically simple rows under each other (technically that’s okay, but visually it’s so boring). And please offer multiple possibilities for the color of logo space backgrounds. Often logos cannot be placed on a white space, or in a dark space.

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argosmedia says

You’re right. I never use a template as it is, and I always modify it to fit what I and/or my client has in mind. But since price is getting more important lately (due to the economic crisis) clients won’t pay several thousands anymore for a typical business site. So to get clients that still want a professional site, but on a much lower budget than the past decade, I have to work cheaper, and use templates that require little tweaking. But since most of them are either boring or unusable portfolio/blog types, I would love to see templates with more original designs/layouts that still appeal to typical small to midsized companies. Change some colors, logo and other minor stuff, build the site with client content, do some SEO magic, and sell it for 1500 instead of a custom design and custom built one for 3500.

And as far as IE7 and 8 goes: it’s totally irrelevant what we think of those browers. In my country (The Netherlands) the far majority uses some IE version. IE7 about 10% and IE8 about 35%. The rest is IE9 and about 10% all other browsers together. I just can’t say “IE sucks, I don’t uspport it”. Besides, I actually don’t dislike IE, but that’s also not important. The fact is I HAVE to support it.

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argosmedia says

There is a reason why they dont support ie7, and ie8, these old browsers dont support most css3 and html5 features, so a author has to choose, support the old crappy ie browsers, which means they can not use some cool stuff, or add extra(which makes the load bigger) code to the theme. U say be more creative but if you want to have a creative theme you probably run trouble with the old ie browsers.Just my 2 cents about that

You seem to miss my point. I tried to make it clear that original or creative has little to do with technical stuff. By all means make use of it, as long as the design and layout is original, that’s okay.

“Cool” modern sites that use HTML5 and CSS3 are not more original than sites some years ago, they are just technically made in a more modern way. But the visitor couldn’t care less, and most clients neither. Use CSS3 for round corners, and shadows, and what have you, but add a fallback if it’s important, or let it be if it’s not important. A good design is still a good design without shadows and round corners.

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argosmedia says

Yes, I agree that many templates look alike. As I posted in another topic.

They’re getting fancier and slicker and more complete all the time. And they’re responsive as well lately. All great.

BUT : where’s the originality? The’re all versions of the same setup, especually the homepage. A top menu bar, followed by a giant slider, followed by a row with blocks with text and pics and icons, followed by a row of portfolio thumbs, followed by this and that and a footer. But all nice graphics, and slick sliding, rotating and expanding content cannot hide the fact that so many layouts look the same.

Most original themes are creative portfolio ones, but when do you need a portfolio site? I am a website creator since 2004, and I had exactly one client who wanted a portfolio site. One. My clients are local and regional business that want a busines site that looks good, professional and attractive, with a nice twist that makes it stand out from the crowd, withhout going over the top.

They never ever ask for sliders, rotators, expanders and certainly not for giant sliders that fill your screen. They don’t need a blog, and they don’t need a portfolio with sliding categories. They want a decent flexible page layout, show content, news, images, product and service details, a contact page, etc. Basic stuff. A good foundation that looks modern, but aims at an optimal usability experience. Not a site where I can show off technical skills and fancy dynamics.

Also very important: it needs to function well at least in IE7 , 8, and 9, and of course the other browsers as well. But IE7 and 8 support is essential! IE6 can be some simple version, but it should not crash or not function in IE6 .

Many new templates don’t offer support for IE7 and sometimes not even IE8 . That’s fine when it’s used for an audience that uses latest browsers, but the average Joe and especially many company employees often still use IE7 and 8. They appreciate a professional looking site that focuses on content delivery, and supreme usability. I don’t make sites for other web designers, I build them for businesses.

True, there are lots of templates that offer that, but I’m getting bored of them because they all look the same in their layout stucture, and the new responsive one often don’t support IE7 and 8.

So PLEASE developers: create original templates and themes that offer a good foundation for general business use, and support IE7 and 8. Fancy stuff is okay, but I can add that myself if I want that. It’s an original business design that hooks me and my clients! Not over the top fancy dynamic stuff, no giant wide sliders, no beautiful images that look great in the theme, but are useless to me and often even don’t come with the package, no portfolio and blog oriented setups. I need original, appealing, professional, general, flexible business layouts. And again: get rid of those giant sliders, I can’t see them anymore! At least proved several homepage versions without a big slider.

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argosmedia says

I agree. And the same goes for other templates. They’re getting fancier and slicker and more complete all the time. And they’re responsive as well lately. All great.

BUT : where’s the originality? The’re all versions of the same setup, especually the homepage. A top menu bar, followed by a giant slider, followed by a row with blocks with text and pics and icons, followed by a row of portfolio thumbs, followed by this and that and a footer. But all nice graphics, and slick sliding, rotating and expanding content cannot hide the fact that so many layouts look the same.

Most orginal themes are creative portfolio ones, but when do you need a portfolio site? I am a website creator since 2004, and I had exactly one client who wanted a portfolio site. One. My clients are local and regional business that want a busines site that looks good, professional and attractive, with a nice twist that makes it stand out from the crowd, withhout going over the top.

They never ever ask for sliders, rotators, expanders and certainly not for giant sliders that fill your screen. They don’t need a blog, and they don’t need a portfolio with sliding categories. They want a decent flexible page layout, show content, news, images, product and service details, a contact page, etc. Basic stuff. A good foundation that looks modern, but aims at an optimal usability experience. Not a site where I can show off technical skills and fancy dynamics.

Also very important: it needs to function well at least in IE7 , 8, and 9, and of course the other browsers as well. But IE7 and 8 support is essential! IE6 can be some simple version, but it should not crash or not function in IE6 .

Many new templates don’t offer support for IE7 and sometimes not even IE8 . That’s fine when it’s used for an audience that uses latest browsers, but the average Joe and especially many company employees often still use IE7 and 8. They appreciate a professional looking site that focuses on content delivery, and supreme usability. I don’t make sites for other web designers, I build them for businesses.

True, there are lots of templates that offer that, but I’m getting bored of them because they all look the same in their layout stucture, and the new responsive one often don’t support IE7 and 8.

So PLEASE developers: create original templates and themes that offer a good foundation for general business use, and support IE7 and 8. Fancy stuff is okay, but I can add that myself if I want that. It’s an original business design that hooks me! Not over the top fancy dynamic stuff, no giant wide sliders, no beautiful images that look great in the theme, but are useless to me and often even don’t come with the package, no portfolio and blog oriented setups. I need original, appealing, professional, general, flexible business layouts.

Sorry for the rambling ;-)

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argosmedia says

I did not make my point well, I’m afraid. I was in fact not talking about my clients, who I am building sites for. I could ‘educate’ them, but that wouldn’t make much of a difference, because I have no influence whatsoever on surfers who visit the sites I built for my clients. It’s the typical business people who make up the visitors of my client sites. They use the default browser that’s installed on their computer, and that’s IE7 /8 at the moment, and probably IE9 in the near future. They won’t install (and even if they would, are often not allowed to install) other browsers.

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argosmedia says

You guys are rather shortsighted… You are authoring for other designers/developers mainly, so you are dipping yourself in a warm bath of assurance that you and your clients can “ditch” support for IE7 now Envato says you can. And on top of that most of you are moaning about IE8 and 9 as well.

Fact is that the clients of your clients (so the end users) are using IE7 and 8 mostly (and many soon also 9), and not Firefox or Chrome. So your clients (the designers/developers who need IE7 /8/9 compatibility for their projects) will favor those themes that have solid backward support, instead of the all new CSS3 /HTML5 based themes.

I am a designer that works for end users, so I look out for designs that work fine in IE7 /8/9 mainly. Firefox and Chrome support is needed as well of course, but if it doesn’t work and look good on IE, I probably won’t buy it.

My customers (typical business end users in The Netherlands, visiting a typical mid-company business site) are using these browsers at the moment:

IE (all versions): 79 %
IE9 : 2 %
IE8 : 50 %
IE7 : 25 %
IE6 : 2 %
Safari (all versions): 8 %
Firefox (all versions): 5 %
and then there’s the rest of the bunch

So in real life 75 % of my customers uses IE7 or IE8 ! I cannot afford to ditch support for those browsers, and so I need themes that are backward compatible. Therefore you authors should really think hard about loosing IE7 /8 support, as this will loose you customers and money.

And I think it’s silly that Envato drops IE7 support as a criterium.

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argosmedia says

The mouse over previews are gone! WTF ?? I surely ain’t gonna click on each item to see a preview…

Lots of little bugs around too, mostly CSS stuff that’s messed up, especially in IE7 . Really bad.

Too much fluff around, and no improvement on usability. Give me the old site anytime…

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