And there in lies the quagmire for everyone. The authors I’ve worked with in the past have a huge dilemma when they choose to include a plugin like Revolution Slider (just using it as an example). If they do, a good percentage of their support forums suddenly fill up with questions that have little to do with their theme. Instead of support for their theme, they wind up spending a significant (sometimes very significant) amount of time responding to support requests for the Revolution Slider (or whatever other plugin they choose to include). And, since a significant amount of the best selling themes have premium plugins attached, people buy them more.
So, @FinalDestiny… If you’ve put together a theme using x.x.x version of jquery, NHP Theme Options Framework, Gmap3, Isotope, or FlexSlider and all those additions, which you did not author come out with updates, you’re saying your NOT going to update your theme, NOT going to log into your Envato backend, launch the Mandril email updates, and let all your buyers know about your update?
If the answer is Yes, bravo. If however the answer is ‘No’, well…. that’s even a better reason for buyers to be (very)</very> loyal to certain authors.
So can we all resolve that formatting a reply in a forum is actually a great way to make your reply look clean and neat? No? Well darn! What about having a license for the plugin that goes out with each theme purchase? perhaps even a ‘as-is’ license that allows a buyer to receive current updates w/out access to support forums?
If it’s not the theme author’s responsibility to push updates, then why do I keep getting them? They included the plugins in their theme purchase, right?
Are you saying that if there is an update to a premium plugin that the theme author included in their theme, that they should NOT be obligated to push out a notification / update to those that have purchased their theme?
Ok, fine. Let’s run with that scenario:
Let me say this again: If the theme author includes premium plugins as a part of their theme, then the purchaser of the theme needs to receive direct access to those plugins to receive the updates directly from the plugin author.
b/c I’ve found the ticket solution yields a canned reply.
...and nothing else.
Here’s another idea, what if you make your own theme, page builder, mega menu and slider. I guess that would save you so much more time right?Absolutely not! I receive a notification about an update to __ plugin that was paid for via an extended license purchased by the theme author from the plugin developer, and I ultimately paid the theme author when I bought the theme license. Seriously, this shouldn’t be that hard to follow! My team makes about $7,000 a week to pay all the bills. So, we should stop the Analytics, stop A/B testing, stop the custom work on the theme, stop email segmentation, stop monitoring cookies, and make time to code a theme, page builder, mega menu, and slider? That’s a genius idea. If only there was a website or company where I could go to that already had some of that code already written. Then I could just click a button and buy it from that company. Hmmm….
You could even add the cost of the individual license to your clients invoice. It’s a small price to pay for free updates.Sure I could! Let’s see how simple and pragmatically genius that idea is:
- I now need to jump in my ‘magic-time-machine’, go backwards a few hundred sites.
- Make a new invoice for them …(what?)
- They will magically be happy about the new invoice
- And gladly pay me for it
EDIT: My point is that the time spent on updating your websites is miniscule compared to the time spent developing these plugins and themes. So Envato isn’t costing you money. It’s saving you money.Well, at some point early on, it was ‘saving’ me money. However by not sending out an additional license for updates to plugins, it’s costing me time and money. Bottom line. Like it or not. Agree or disagree. See it or don’t. Your choice. The bottom line remains the same.
- If an author is going to include a premium plugin to their theme, a license needs to go out for that specific plugin as well.
- Theme authors don’t want to have to push out another update each time one of their plugins is updated.
- Imagine being a theme author that’s included three plugins into the purchase of their theme. Each time one of the three plugins is updated, they have to push an update, as well as pushing out an update each time the actual theme gets updated as well.
- The purchaser of the theme can update the theme easily (depending on their tweaks, child themes)
- But now the theme purchaser has to download the new theme, extract the plugin, update the plugin – not a big deal right?
- Now imaging being a loyal Themeforest customer for years. Dozens and dozens of themes later, with two or three plugins for each theme, and add to that the actual theme updates, and you’ll see how much time that actually takes.
Yes, it’s a big dealLet me mention the solution again, that I think both theme authors and purchasers will be on board with: Plugin license goes out along with the theme license.
If it’s a hassle, you could always purchase your own license and then you can just download the plugin yourself or even enter the license key for auto update.
Ok, so AFTER I purchase the theme WHICH ALREADY INCLUDED THE PREMIUM PLUGIN into their cost, which I have ultimately paid for, you want me to go back, and re-purchase the plugin WHICH THE THEME AUTHOR already paid for, then run back over to the client’s site, and update the plugin that way?
hmmm… [blatant satire that I’m going to spoon feed you]if only there was a way to have the individual purchaser be issued a license to not only the theme, but the included plugin. And, what if, there was a way to push that update to the client or even the developer. What a concept!!
Look, here’s the bottom line: If I’ve got 70 different themes running on different sites, and each theme included …let’s say three – Revolution Slider, WP Bakery’s Builder, and perhaps Uber Menu. I can factor in WP Core updates – that’s fine. But, do you realize what Themeforest’s customer is having to do? I’m downloading the new theme. Extracting the new theme to isolate the plugin. Running over to the customer’s ftp account. Uploading the new plugin. Now, seriously do some math here. For each updated theme, that the theme author has to roll out to their purchasers – me – I’m doing the above steps (70 themes x 3 plugins each) TWO HUNDRED AND TEN TIMES on top of making sure each theme updates to the latest and greatest WP update.
ENVATO IS NOW COSTING ME MORE MONEY THAN I AM MAKING!!
This is just one of hundreds of examples (yes, I’ve bought a lot of themes here!) I bought ‘X’ (again, let’s not focus on just this one theme) and the theme’s purchase included WPBakery Visual Composer. So each time the great team over at the Bakery puts out an update for their Visual Composer, the theme author is responsible for pushing that update into Envato, Envato emails everyone who has purchased the theme, all purchasers need to run back over to Themeforest, redownload the theme, extract the part that is the update to the plugin, then run over to the clients site and re-install the plugin.
Damn Envato, this is seriously gettin’ OLD!!
Imagine a loyal customer with hundreds of dollars in purchases for his own personal use, and THOUSANDS of dollars in purchases under client’s logins for their use.Yes, there are better ways to accomplish updating a plugin within a premium theme. And…
YES I expect you to do it!
I’m looking for a simple theme that allows users to upload images (of all this ice that we’ve been having here in the U.S.) I’m not looking for a plugin, w/ a plugin, with some code, with a hack, then a tweak, then some custom work, blah / blah / blah…. Obviously a little work is expected, but…. This is a ‘just-for-fun-site’ so I’m not looking to spend a ton of time trying to set up some complex mashup of plugins and hacks.
Any suggestions?Thanks! -Brad
...I’m looking for function…
Can anyone recommend a good theme for little league to replace the site over at http://bya.org
We would want it to have the ability to check schedules, add teams, add scores, all the functions that a little league team would need. Look at the http://bya.org page and see what they had going on there for possible ‘functions’ that we need to have.
What themes (and / or plugins) would you recommend?
...and yet… Here I am again! ...this time I’m looking for two themes. Ready? Ok!
I know that there are multiple themes that have ignitiondeck already integrated into the theme. “So, here I go again on my own, going down the only road I’ve ever known. Like a drifter I was born to walk alone…..”Seriously, I click on “wordpress”, so I know it was a WordPress theme. Then, in the right side bar, I attempt the words “ignitiondeck” and I get one theme. It’s this one: http://themeforest.net/item/be-human-charity-multipurpose-wp-retina-theme/5326773?WT.ac=search_thumb&WT.seg_1=search_thumb&WT.z_author=CrunchPress ...great theme, but – remember – I’m looking for ALL the themes that have ignitiondeck integration already built into it. So, I click on the tag at the bottom of the right side bar (which is added by the theme author) fully expecting to see ALL the themes that have “ignitiondeck” somewhere in their description, title, or anything else. And… what happens when you (or I) click the “ignitiondeck” tag that? Only one theme comes up! Of course it’s the one theme that came up originally!
Let me say again, this is EXACTLY why you don’t leave the “TAG CREATION” up to the authors! (love y’all author folks btw!) You MUST PROMPT THEM! (radio box, check box, something!)
Next, I’m looking for a real estate theme with idx integration. What? Themeforest + Real Estate Theme = No problemo! Step right up and pick you a theme! ...wait, not so fast. I’m looking for one that I can use with dsi express. First, not too many Real Estate theme have ANY idx integration. So that leaves me with a handful. Then, I’ve got to narrow that handful down to which one’s have dsi express already built into the theme (“You can use any idx with our theme” and “DSI Express already integrated” are two TOTALLY separate things!!)
So basically, I’m looking for a needle in a haystack of themes (technically, I’m looking for two needles). Did I get on themeforest with the intention of buying two themes? YEP! And did I waste WAY too much time looking for the themes? ABSOLUTELY. So much time that I went with a default theme from IgnitionDeck.com, and the second project is still “in the air”.
Seriously Evato / Themeforest, I love ‘ya, but you’re gonna have to start making it easier to take my money. You’ve got way too many themes for me to have to spend hours each week digging around the site to try to find one that works.
You lost some money this week. I’m sorry. I love you. Please forgive me. I’ll be back. I promise. But you, and some author just lost a few sales this week.
I really think we need to go to one of those “Couples Seminars” to work on communication.