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chrisatlemon
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I’m not a logo design expert, so others may be better able to help you. Things that struck me at first sight:

1) the two dots in the middle of the shield make this look like face of a bat or something? Maybe that put the reviewer off

2) the words below the shield are not properly aligned, they aren’t centred

3) the words are far too small compared to the actual icon

Basically I think this lacks polish

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Chris

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I totally agree that we need more consistency in pricing. This also applies to other categories. While I usually disagree with criticism directed towards reviewers, I completely agree that pricing seems to be somewhat random.

1) I have a trifold and a bifold which are almost identical, part of the same design. Just a few items shifted around on each to make the format fit. One is valued at $8, the others valued at $10. That’s a 20% price difference for something which is basically the exact same item.

2) I recently submitted a stationery item which took me literally months to complete with a huge amount of additional branding assets such as vectors, labels, et cetera. This was priced at $9.

Not only are all my other stationery items priced at $11, this one which has 5 times more content and more work and no noticeable difference in quality is priced at $9.

3) It is also priced $1 cheaper than the above-mentioned bifold which took maybe a 10% of the time to create and which has maybe 2% of the content in terms of quantity.

Basically I think there should not be any room to price items. There should be a fixed and consistent list all reviewers follow, and all authors know about. If an item is not good enough it should be simply not accepted as opposed to making it cheaper.

1) Basic stationery item $11 2) Stationery item with additional branding assets $13 2) simple stationery header and footer $6

if it’s not good enough, it should be either of the above three and simply not accepted rather than downgrading your work.

What makes me particularly upset about this is that GR know exactly that the business model here only works if you sell in high volumes. What good is a flyer that sells three times? I don’t care if it’s valued at $6, $8, or $9 if it’s only going to sell a handful of times.

However if you do sell an item 500 times, then one dollar more or less in the pricing makes a huge difference. So some of us invest weeks or months in a very elaborate item, flogging it off for next to nothing feels like a slap in the face.

GR keep pushing the price of our items down, I assume as an attempt to remain competitive compared to other markets. For me personally they are riding a very fine line where I am about to pack up my stuff and start selling elsewhere.

If you want top designers to produce top products then you also need to ensure that there is a minimum of compensation. If you try flogging off our premiums design at sweatshop prices there will come a point where all premium authors have moved to other marketplaces and you are left with nothing but sweatshop quality designs.

I think GR is very very close to this happening. I see more and more mediocre design works being accepted and sold for low prices, and more and more disgruntled top authors. I also see GR act more and more like a corporate giant only interested in mass and cheap as opposed to grooming those authors who really put in extra efforts for premium items.

I think GR are treading a very fine line!

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Chris

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@n2n44 – I certainly agree on consistency, no doubt about it. We shouldn’t have to worry about whether we will get lucky or not in the review process.

However, I feel that again you focus on the bad items or “just about ok” items that get accepted.

If you only produce great work you will never have to worry about it being accepted. So instead of focusing on bad work that got accepted, why not focus on creating great work?

The only thing that bothers me with bad work being accepted is that it brings down the overall value of the marketplace, therefore harming us all. But it has no impact on my work at all. I always try to produce the greatest I am capable of, and I haven’t had an item turned down in the last 3 years, in fact I only ever got 1 item rejected ever.

So to me: “there are a lot of mediocre items here, so I also want my mediocre item accepted” – that doesn’t cut it.

But yes, they should all be turned down, there needs to be consistency – totally agreed.

In this case however I agree with the reviewer, as per my previous posts in this thread.I don’t think there was enough there for this item to get accepted.

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Chris

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@EladChai – yes, I get the exact amount in my mail. This is how it spells:

“You have received a payment in the amount of $356.48 from Envato”

Then you need to accept the funds by clicking a link. Here yo ucan do a standard charge at $2 or an immediate charge at $5. That’s all I’ve ever been charged by Payoneer for my transactions.

So that’s what you have in your Payoneer account. If then from there you wire it there may be more charges applied by Payoneer, your bank, a middle bank. That probably depends on where you wire it.

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I suggest to get help from Payoneer support of forums. This has never happened to me. I am only ever charged a fixed sum of $2 for every load and that’s it.

Anything else you should inquire what heppened, it’s definitely not the standard charge.

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Chris

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Look at it this way: if you only draw 3 lines, all 3 they need to be perfect. If you draw 500 no one will notice if 60 of them are a bit off … it is very difficult to create clean and minimal design which is also very good. Much harder than drawing lots of lines.

Also, if you look at business cards for example, I would say only 5% of the cards here are actually useful in the real world. Personally my business card is just my logo on one side and my email address on the other. Of course you can’t sell that sort of thing on GR :)

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Chris

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Honestly, I would have put that off as too simplistic, too – lol :)

I do think it has nicer balance and typography that yours, so that’s probably the reason it got accepted.

Had it not got accepted, I would have said: too simple :)

Don’t get me wrong, nothing wrong with clean, understated and simple – nothing at all. In fact that’s my style, too. That’s why I mostly do stationery and branding, because it’s the only category where you can get clean and understated accepted these days.

We’ve seen a few absolutely fantastic flyers by some top authors which got rejected on the basis of being too simplistic. It is very difficult to get clean design accepted on graphic River.

But even as a clean and understated Facebook cover I would still argue that it needs some work in balance, typography and style. Honestly I just don’t think it looks great enough overall.

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chrisatlemon
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Too simple and not refined enough. A simple gradient background and a hearts pattern isn’t enough, you would need to flesh that out.

More depth, highlights/glares/shiny stuff, variety, typography – I think there’s a lot lacking here.

See this example ( not mine ) and look how much more of everything there is to look at here:

http://graphicriver.net/item/happy-valentines-day-flyer/10306991

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C.

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Usually you would also add the year, so sth like this:

© Envato 2010 – 2015

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C.

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...sorry, I meant to add this:

Don’t look at what bad authors do badly and get accepted.

Look at what great authors do fantastically and draw your inspiration from there.

If you browse Graphic River for bad or copied items, you’ve already spent two hours which you could have spent refining your skills.

You’ll be much happier, It will make you a much better author :)

C.

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