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chrisatlemon
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maybe just a couple of quick examples to make a long story short:

1) stationery category: I see several authors using the exact same letter layout, invoice layout and just pasted between a different header and footer every time. Basically it’s the same item with a different header and footer.

These get the same price or higher than my items which are an original item every time. A Fully developed brand every time. I include twice as many documents. I could include conversions to docx. I include additional branding assets such as vectors, labels, et cetera. I include business card variations. Cover pages. Binder. All sorts.

Yet it is the same pricing as a copy and paste job. Therefore my attention to detail is not compensated.

2) presentation templates: I see authors who include literally hundreds of slides. Custom-made UI elements, custom-made infographics, custom-made icons. Unique for every presentation. This is a huge amount of work. The pricing of their items is the the same for other authors items reuse the same items, Don’t include any custom infographics, don’t include any custom icons, don’t offer a new and unique design with every presentation.

Here again, the attention to detail, depth of product provided is not compensated.

Hence: you provide quality designs because you want to. Because it prides you to produce quality work. But it will not yield compensation. If you are in this for the money, to make a living, you are better off chucking out the lesser quality items in greater quantity rather than spending lots of amount time higher quality items.

This is purely financially speaking. And I think this is down to Envato policy because Envato is not ready to prize those authors who put in the extra effort. GR is about quantity quickly. This has become very clear over the last couple of years. It was not like this before. On the contrary.

So my comment was in no way this respective to any particular category of authors. My comment was a criticism of Enavto policy when it comes to grooming quality authors.

Cheers

Chris

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I think the problem with these is that most of these are not actually complete. The local needs the icon and a company name and/or tagline. Without that it’s only an icon.

When you do add the company name and tagline make sure you choose a nice font to go with it and balance it out.

The last one which does actually have the company name and tagline I think is simply not balanced out nicely. Look at the tagline aligns to the left and right with a big space in the middle. Also personally I don’t find the shape very attractive.

The other two with a nice font and a nicely balanced out combination of icon and text may well be accepted.

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Chris

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@everyone: in no way did I mean to offend any party flyer designers, logo designers, vector object designers. Never! I apologise if that came across in a way I did not intend to.

I admire party flyer designers. And many of them are far superior designers to me. I simply do not have that in me. And when I see those shiny flyers with all their detail I’m often amazed!

However what I said was speaking from experience, from what I read on these forums from flyer designers themselves. Industrykidz for example said that he chucks out one of those flies in a couple of hours time. I’ve heard similar from others.

Of course this is highly personal, and some designers may spend several days, or even a week to design a nice flyer. But I don’t think it is as time intensive as developing an entire brand. Usually (also because I do this in my spare time) it takes me months! I include 20 or 30 items in my package. That may also be exaggerated.

In no way did I mean to say that because of this corporate IDs in any way superior two party flyers in terms of skill or design talent. All I tried to say is that I think highly detailed work in some categories such as corporate IDs or presentation templates will likely not be compensated financially. You get the same financial compensation as less detailed work and less complete packages.

And I expressed that is a concern for Envato market and pricing policy. Not to disrespect any authors in any other categories. That is not my style, anybody who knows me knows that :)

in any case, I’m sure most people understood what I tried to say or at least I hope so :)

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I totally agree that inconsistent approvals and hard rejections are a problem.

What also worries me a lot, and I’ve stated this on several occasions, is that proven quality authors never last more than a couple of years on Graphic River. There is simply no incentive given to meticulous work, attention to detail and well crafted goods.

In my personal experience I put a lot of attention to detail into my stationary items. I provide a huge number of assets and conversions, and variations. Each of my stationary items is a completely new set of layouts and designs.

Yet my items are priced the exact same Other authors get for copying and pasting the same layouts In between slightly different headers and footers.

This is just my personal category and experience, but I know this has happened to top authors in other categories. And I also know that this is a reason why after a while most authors who prefer to publish time intensive quality items see no incentive to continue selling here.

One striking example are presentations where authors Put in huge amount of time, creating dozens or hundreds of slides with the huge amount of accompanying assets like vectors and then see them flogged off for a dime, same price as a couple of flyers that were created in a couple of hours.

I realise that Envato do this to stay competitive. You can’t sell high-priced items in volumes. But it also makes for the fact that quality work is not compensated.

This saddens me because one of the main draws to come here was that a few years back this was a premium marketplace where quality authors were groomed and poor quality items were removed.

It’s not worth your while investing lots of time, but it is worth your while to produce masses off ubiquitous average quality designs. Because those you can chuck out quickly with the same compensation as detailed work.

Over the next couple of days I will upload a new corporate identity and stationery set which I’ve worked on for a full six weeks. If I’m lucky it’ll get valued the same as a couple of party flyers. ( no offence to flyer authors! :))

I continue to provide quality detailed work because I do this as a hobby. I have a day job. But if you actually do this for money, then you are out of luck.

It is a real pity

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Chris

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one of the first rules of logo design: your logo must work in colour and black-and-white.

So if you submit a colourful logo, make sure it also works in black and white.

If you only submit a black-and-white logo that is probably okay, but it does of course limit your audience.

My suggestion: nice colours, and make sure it also works in black and white. Then present it nicely in both formats.

Don’t try to get off easy. Always do the most you can for your customers. So go that extra mile. Don’t try thinking about all the things you can leave out, but think about all the things you could possibly add in to make a customers life easier and to make your item more appealing to more people.

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Chris

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No worries, my pleasure. I’m sure this will get handled professionally.

In the end support are just people, too. And even though the sort of thing should never happen, sometimes it just does – long night, tired eyes :)

Hopefully support staff will see the mistake and come back to you with a reply that makes sense.

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Did you get these rejected from the vectors category.

I honestly see no reason. I’m usually fairly critical of complaints against hard rejections, but in this case I have to admit from an aesthetic point of view I don’t think there’s anything wrong with these images. So they can only be two other reasons:

1) technical, which you discard 2) to many of these already on the marketplace

Honestly, this is one of the few times I can’t see a clear reason for rejection.

Sorry I can’t help any more with this

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Chris

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hi guys,

We can only help you if you post previews of your logos. That is the only way to judge your work.

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Support asked you to go to the community for help? Do I understand this correctly?

That should definitely not happen. I’ve had good support replies, and I’ve had replies were my mails clearly weren’t read. But this is definitely a support issue not something the community can help you in any way.

Post another ticket. Be very clear about what this is about. Then tweet the ticket ID to Envato’s support channel on twitter. That usually gets attention.

I find this quite a serious issue. I would be surprised if you didn’t get a serious response when chasing this.

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That is strange!

I would get in touch with support and explain. Nothing else would yield any solution.

It should not happen. Hard rejections are 1 thing, but if the same item is already accepted that is a mistake.

I’m sure this can be solved.

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Chris

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