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chrisatlemon
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@snowboy: that’s exactly what I mean. I have some items like that and others where I’m asked to remove.

Think about it: a logo in $29. If you include it in your flyer, then the flyer would be $35. So if your flyer and logo go for $6 that’s unfair competition to logo authors.

Then there comes the licensing: the flyer license is not the same as a logo license, I think logos are not covered in that license.

All that is understandable. But then we need to have the same rule for all, not one day one thing and the next another.

I always used to include logos in all my items until I was told on separate occasions that I could no more. Yet I see items with logo included getting accepted all the time.

@lordfako – but then the “bundle” would have to go at a minimum of logo price + item price. This is never the case. All items like flyers and stationery with logo included go at item price, not bundle price. Meaning: a flyer with a logo goes at $6 – $8 – not $30 something.

In understand that competition on the market needs to be regulated. I also understand licesning issues.

I don’t understand that some authors are allowed and others not. It’s a huge disadvantage to those who are not!

Lastly as I said: a corporate ID package without logo is a joke!

Cheers

Chris

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@staff/reviewers

Hi all,

It would be good if we could have a consistent line of what’s allowed and what not. Sometimes I am allowed to include a logo in vector format in my flyers/stationery items, other times I’m not. When asked to remove, I remove and leave only a rasterised version.

Still, every week I see stationary and other items with vector logos included and advertised getting approved.

Either all authors need to remove them, or I can add mine back in. It detracts value from my items if I do not include logos, it adds value to competition if they do include logos.

I was clearly told: only rasterised versions, and I’m not allowed to advertise that I include the logo in the package.

I feel I’m handed a clear disadvantage here. Apart from the fact that a corporate ID/branding package without logo is absurd, at least the same rule should apply to all. I’ve been removing my logos for over a year now, and throughout that year I see items with logos approved in the same category every time I check.

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Chris

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While you play around with the text, maybe also try another bold font. I’m not sure that the fine serif is the right choice.

Good luck

Chris

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This is way to simple and lacks polish in almost every aspect.

the styles on the number 4 aren’t particularly attractive

the “0” legs seem to be very thin and breakup

That doesn’t seem to be any work on typography

Frankly, I don’t think this is up to standards,, simple as that.

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I’m not a logo design expert, so others may be better able to help you. Things that struck me at first sight:

1) the two dots in the middle of the shield make this look like face of a bat or something? Maybe that put the reviewer off

2) the words below the shield are not properly aligned, they aren’t centred

3) the words are far too small compared to the actual icon

Basically I think this lacks polish

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Chris

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I totally agree that we need more consistency in pricing. This also applies to other categories. While I usually disagree with criticism directed towards reviewers, I completely agree that pricing seems to be somewhat random.

1) I have a trifold and a bifold which are almost identical, part of the same design. Just a few items shifted around on each to make the format fit. One is valued at $8, the others valued at $10. That’s a 20% price difference for something which is basically the exact same item.

2) I recently submitted a stationery item which took me literally months to complete with a huge amount of additional branding assets such as vectors, labels, et cetera. This was priced at $9.

Not only are all my other stationery items priced at $11, this one which has 5 times more content and more work and no noticeable difference in quality is priced at $9.

3) It is also priced $1 cheaper than the above-mentioned bifold which took maybe a 10% of the time to create and which has maybe 2% of the content in terms of quantity.

Basically I think there should not be any room to price items. There should be a fixed and consistent list all reviewers follow, and all authors know about. If an item is not good enough it should be simply not accepted as opposed to making it cheaper.

1) Basic stationery item $11 2) Stationery item with additional branding assets $13 2) simple stationery header and footer $6

if it’s not good enough, it should be either of the above three and simply not accepted rather than downgrading your work.

What makes me particularly upset about this is that GR know exactly that the business model here only works if you sell in high volumes. What good is a flyer that sells three times? I don’t care if it’s valued at $6, $8, or $9 if it’s only going to sell a handful of times.

However if you do sell an item 500 times, then one dollar more or less in the pricing makes a huge difference. So some of us invest weeks or months in a very elaborate item, flogging it off for next to nothing feels like a slap in the face.

GR keep pushing the price of our items down, I assume as an attempt to remain competitive compared to other markets. For me personally they are riding a very fine line where I am about to pack up my stuff and start selling elsewhere.

If you want top designers to produce top products then you also need to ensure that there is a minimum of compensation. If you try flogging off our premiums design at sweatshop prices there will come a point where all premium authors have moved to other marketplaces and you are left with nothing but sweatshop quality designs.

I think GR is very very close to this happening. I see more and more mediocre design works being accepted and sold for low prices, and more and more disgruntled top authors. I also see GR act more and more like a corporate giant only interested in mass and cheap as opposed to grooming those authors who really put in extra efforts for premium items.

I think GR are treading a very fine line!

Cheers

Chris

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@n2n44 – I certainly agree on consistency, no doubt about it. We shouldn’t have to worry about whether we will get lucky or not in the review process.

However, I feel that again you focus on the bad items or “just about ok” items that get accepted.

If you only produce great work you will never have to worry about it being accepted. So instead of focusing on bad work that got accepted, why not focus on creating great work?

The only thing that bothers me with bad work being accepted is that it brings down the overall value of the marketplace, therefore harming us all. But it has no impact on my work at all. I always try to produce the greatest I am capable of, and I haven’t had an item turned down in the last 3 years, in fact I only ever got 1 item rejected ever.

So to me: “there are a lot of mediocre items here, so I also want my mediocre item accepted” – that doesn’t cut it.

But yes, they should all be turned down, there needs to be consistency – totally agreed.

In this case however I agree with the reviewer, as per my previous posts in this thread.I don’t think there was enough there for this item to get accepted.

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Chris

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@EladChai – yes, I get the exact amount in my mail. This is how it spells:

“You have received a payment in the amount of $356.48 from Envato”

Then you need to accept the funds by clicking a link. Here yo ucan do a standard charge at $2 or an immediate charge at $5. That’s all I’ve ever been charged by Payoneer for my transactions.

So that’s what you have in your Payoneer account. If then from there you wire it there may be more charges applied by Payoneer, your bank, a middle bank. That probably depends on where you wire it.

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Chris

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I suggest to get help from Payoneer support of forums. This has never happened to me. I am only ever charged a fixed sum of $2 for every load and that’s it.

Anything else you should inquire what heppened, it’s definitely not the standard charge.

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Chris

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Look at it this way: if you only draw 3 lines, all 3 they need to be perfect. If you draw 500 no one will notice if 60 of them are a bit off … it is very difficult to create clean and minimal design which is also very good. Much harder than drawing lots of lines.

Also, if you look at business cards for example, I would say only 5% of the cards here are actually useful in the real world. Personally my business card is just my logo on one side and my email address on the other. Of course you can’t sell that sort of thing on GR :)

Cheers

Chris

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