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chrisatlemon says

This is pretty much the same as your last upload that was also rejected. It’s not enough to simply play around with some colours and layer styles. You should really study some tutorials on what great things can be done if you actually understand what you’re doing.

Maybe try aiming for certain objectives:

One glass style

One wood style

One brushed metal style

Then try to look at the best items on this marketplace for this style and see if you can create something of similar quality. Otherwise you will not get anything accepted here.

I have a feeling you’re somehow just playing around with the switches and buttons in photoshop. Maybe setting some precise objectives and learning how to achieve them will help you improve quality.

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chrisatlemon says

And this is what he says to the buyer,

“nice dealing with you..if you like to have more of this photoshop and graphic..i have 10 gig of file to sell “

I guess that’s 10 Gig of ripped off loot… nice! :/

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chrisatlemon says

There are many similar logos here in any case. It’s more a question of the quality and if it’s not pure plagiarism, which I’m sure it’s not. If you design them yourself there will be little chance for them to be the exact same as another. So wouldn’t worry so much about the plagiarism.

I agree totally with what adi said, that was the first thing that struck me. There should not be to identifying shapes in one Logo. just make to out of it :)

The second one is maybe a little flat. I think it’s nice but often logo design reviews a somewhat arbitrary. Maybe you could add a second font for the tagline. I think it’s nice.

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chrisatlemon says

There’s not enough there I’m afraid.

Fonts are generic and not very well worked.

The design really doesn’t have anything. It lacks depth and detail.

If you want it clean and simple then the gradients on the sides don’t really help.

I think you should pay attention to texture and lighting, give it some more detail, give it some more depth, what the fonts, work the spacing … I think this really still needs a lot of work.

Also take a look at some of the bestselling designs of the category to get a feel for what is considered a quality design.

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chrisatlemon says

Sounds to me like you’re just applying a couple of Photoshop filters to the same item.

Why don’t you post both samples here and we cam take a look?

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chrisatlemon says
MSFX said
if you two want you could just email each other y’know :P

Hehe, sorry for hijacking your thread :) I will stop now as we won’t agree in any case and I think we’ve both made our point!

In any case, no offence taken and hopefully none on your side CodingJack. I think we can just agree to disagree :)

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LandonWilson said
I was thinking just what Chris was. Accessibility – can Flash content be read to the blind? It’s a shame Adobe likes taking away from those less fortunate.

You could probably even find an argument for all these Individual issues I have singled out. You can provide an HTML alternative. You can probably build Flash sites that allow adjustment of font sizes. You can build Flash sites with meta data for search engines etc. Many Individual points can be addressed.

But the central question really is: if you build a full flash website have you really made the most of the potential the medium offers you? And here the answer simply and undeniably is. No, you have not.

And there really is no reason why not to.

The same argument also often is applied to HTML /CSS validation. Is validation always right? No it’s not. Will a valid code always work correctly? No it won’t. However is that an excuse to write HTML /CSS that does not validate? The general belief is that it’s not. Yes, there will always be instances where for good reasons to HTML and CSS may not validate. However that does not mean that you should not strive towards achieving the best the medium allows you to.

But maybe I’m starting to get sidetracked here :)

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chrisatlemon says

“Because the one I’m from I’ve never had a single client mention accessibility to me at any point in the relationship”

Then you should have mentioned it to them and you should have consulted them on it. That’s why you’re the professional, that’s your job. Your job is not to say yes to everything the customer wants. Your job is to make sure the customer gets what’s best for him and understands why. if you consult your customer on accessibility and usability I guarantee you that your customer will opt for accessability with additional Flash elements to enhance the design as opposed to full flash website and shutting out potential customers.

If the corporate can’t afford to lose 100,000 customers, then I don’t think a small business can afford to lose 1.

There really is no need for a full flash website. You can build a website that can be navigated without flash and script, that can be navigated by keys only, that can have font sizes changed by the viewer, that has sufficient contrast, that has forms with well-defined fieldsets, that uses alt tags etc etc and still compliment it with enough graphical finesse to achieve that “wow” effect.

I’m not trying to sound harsh or condescending, Everybody is entitled to their own religion. But web design is all about making information available to everyone. And most importantly about understanding the medium you working with and using it to its full potential. And there really is no argument against it. It’s like arguing against gravity.

You will not regret reading this, it is already over 10 years old and it still holds an enormous amount of truth. On top of that it is an outstandingly entertaining read :) I insist that all my customers read it before we even start talking about their design. And I do also cater for small and medium-sized businesses. In fact these are the ones that need our consultation and advice. The big corporates know already what they want and need.

http://www.alistapart.com/articles/dao/

Cheers

Chris

P.S.: and just to make you chuckle, in case you didn’t see the irony: I get my “accessibility analysis reports” sent in Microsoft Excel … get it? lol :D

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chrisatlemon says

“On any device”

yes, but the “device” does not just mean tablets and smart phones, it means things like screen readers for the blind, aids for the motorically challenged, etc. It means universal accessibility of all content. Fair enough if you want some fancy graphics, but use them as ornaments, as non-essential parts to complement a fully accessible and usable website.

If you’ve been selling pure Flash websites to customers you have not done them any favours even though they may have said that they liked those when they sent you samples. You should have informed them that even though they know may look nice with smooth hover menus they are not accessible to a certain percentage of their potential visitors.

As part of my job I have to prepare a lot of websites for Global corporate’s. It it is by now one of the main requirements that these websites meet a maximum of accessibility guidelines. Most of them require very strict respect of these. To the point where even I as an access ability and usability advocate shake my head at times.

It used to be just a few freaks insisting on semantics, accessibility, usability. Everybody else just wanted to look pretty. These days if you serve a wider audience you will not get around it. My customers hire test teams to validate my work against WAI guidelines. And if I do not need at least two a certain level I get a 30 page Excel sheet with things to fix.

I’m sure you know where to find these: http://www.w3.org/WAI/

there is no way I could meet even a minimum of these with a Flash website. And the same also goes for small and medium-sized businesses. They may have less customers, but that doesn’t mean that they can afford to exclude some just because they wanted to look pretty over functionality.

And yes I do like aesthetics and I do like beautiful design. But Flash really does not have any place in web design.

It does have a place in animation, in flash games, in banners as “X” correctly pointed out. Everything that’s nonessential to the visitor of your website. It does not have any place as an integral part of a web design.

In any case, that’s what many have been defending for years. It seems like companies are catching up to now. (there are even government guidelines to accessibility) But yes I do realise that not everybody agrees with this. I think it’s a mistake, but I’m also aware that we could discuss this all day long :)

To me Flash websites are websites created by graphic designers who do not know enough about the Internet as a technology and how to make the best use of it. They may be fantastically beautiful. But they have nothing to do with what the Internet should be stand for.

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Chris

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chrisatlemon says

Hi Syed,

Honestly, I don’t think this has anything going for it. What stuck behind the letters of the word “design”?

What are you trying to express?

This is just a run-of-the-mill font with a rainbow gradient on top. Really, this isn’t a logo, this is just a Text style. I’m not a particularly great one at that. You really need to put a little more work into this.

Cheers

Chris

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