A section requires a heading, h1 h2 etc. A div does not. There is no best, good or bad.
teleportation! time travel would be fun, but it creates paradoxes, i take your question is serious
LoveThemes saidIf established authors are saying that they have buyers for new themes, then yes, that should be taken into consideration during its review process. Why shouldn’t it? How does that make any business sense to deny an author that has a good track record of sales and loyal customers? I could see it if I was a new author or if my previous themes didn’t do well, because I wouldn’t have a leg to stand on, but I have a track record of themes that have done well, and some very well. That should count for something during the review period, that even if the reviewer may not like the theme, that maybe the author has something figured out and should be given the benefit of the doubt.
That’s exactly the point.
If Themeforest rolled over to the whim of every person that said, “1000s of people want this theme so approve it, approve it now!” imagine what the marketplace would look like.I’ve worked with clients for over 15 years, they ask for dumb things, and they really don’t know what they want, so just because people ask for it doesn’t mean it should be approved.
@mvp why not post a link, I read you didnt want to earlier. Perhaps you have changed your mind?
Also why should it be any different for newcomers? If you believe you can get sales, some newcomer might also be able to.
It’s not really about being innovative, the whole thread is more about “not making what seems to be bad design”, it’s still at the stage of “What is good and what isn’t?”.
The Henry Ford Saying – we can’t really say stuff like that – since we’re small, so it has no value, but:
I just can’t think and believe that top authors don’t feel the same. I am SURE and I can bet on it – many top authors feel the same, but you either ADAPT or you DIE and that’s what everyone does and so do I (trying to).
Anyways – I wish everyone good fortune, luck & health, I love everyone and hope to stay in good terms with everybody, since I only tried to speak my mind on this concern, in the hope that some “heavy playas” will join in the discussion to either tell me how wrong I am or to agree with me.
I like big arrows too – but only if they make sense to be big. It makes sense for them to be big on the roads, because you need to see them. But in that case, they’re like that fat kid that always says “I’m just big boned”Either way – have a good time.
Actually the Henry Ford statement applies perfectly here. Customers dont know what they want when it comes to design. X is an example. I would go as far as saying customers dont know what they want for features either. Its a sheep game, ten people show testimonials in a speech bubble, 11th person will automatically want it the same way, it will be our job to show it differently so the people following the 11th buyer might prefer it over the other. Ofcourse innovation is hard and design is full of failures.
What you offer(features) should be based on customer needs, design should be based on how you think is the best way to deliver those features. That is why every second person is not a designer and for the same reason most customer websites I have visited that are using some top selling themes look pretty awful.
So, the objective with designing themes and products is to design for the sake of “what’s new”, and not to focus on what customers actually want? We’re supposed to be creating “art for art’s sake” instead of creating functional products that actually appeal to customers? If that’s what this marketplace is focused on, then it’s no wonder a ton of themes that are functionally useless, but look “clean”, and have 10 sales after a month.
Shouldn’t the market dictate what “looks nice” and what doesn’t? People may not agree with any of my themes or any of the top selling themes, but it doesn’t matter what other authors think, only the customers. They dictate what “looks nice” or what is functional for them.Why people are more focused on what designers think is trendy versus what customers want is just beyond me.
In the words of Henry Ford ‘If I had asked people what they wanted they would have said faster horses’
p.s @themeflame I like the big arrows
Guys, please let’s try to keep this topic more constructive. I think it wasn’t about pointing to some themes and discuss which one is better or worse or if it deserved to get accepted or not. I believe It’s more about thinking of ways and sharing ideas about to make the game more transparent, which would be beneficial for both parties (authors and reviewers).
My apologies. However I didnt mean to say either of the two shouldnt have been accepted. X offers great functionality, and for Osage, I like hot topix and braxton better.
Anyways, bringing it to point. The only thing I can think of from the top of my head is reviewers provide design direction, but I find it a horrible idea because it would strictly limit creativity.
No offence man, you are experienced then us relatively new authors here, but I have to agree with @themeflame your last theme is definitely not up to design standards of most new themes here, especially compared to your other theme Braxton. As mentioned above design is subjective. But thats not the reason why I chose to comment. Its because your original comment makes me feel that because you are one of the top selling authors, that your items should be given special priority? I dont agree with that. The web is changing at an unprecedented pace, and we have to keep up with it, or some might have been top sellers at one point, they wont stay the same today.
Also someone mentioned X, design wise thats a horrible theme(not a personal attack at anyone). Not one single version of that theme would get accepted here. I understand why the reviewers initially chose to reject it. But sadly a whole lot of features apparently win over design quality.Peace
Noooo, buddy! I’m sure MVP Theme has not, for once, thought about “I am top elite, I should be accepted”. Which would be fair, in my opinion – you work hard for these perks, you deserve them! So, it’d be normal to have some kind of “Expectancy” regarding that. I think most authors (bad & good at design) are cool people and that’s why I never tell that stuff to anybody – because it’s offensive, we’re all human.
But some things aren’t okay, really. Envato’s not going to take down X because it looks how it looks (And holy smack – it’s been given green light by many so called “industry professionals” and I was like “Dude, what?”.), but…I am just a hater, right?
Yes you are, lol. So am I , I guess… Kidding! Braxton and Hot Topix are two really awesome themes.
“I am top elite, I should be accepted”
Also no it wont be fair, no matter how hard you worked for the perks you got. I mean I might be good at something today, does not necessarily mean I will be good at it in a couple of years, and because I was good at it at some point and earned some respect, I should be shown any more courtesy than other people. Not at all fair.
Also Im not saying MVP actually said he deserves special priority but that is the gist i got.
No offence man, but I have to agree with @themeflame your last theme is definitely not up to design standards of most new themes here, especially compared to your other theme Braxton. As mentioned above design is subjective. But thats not the reason why I chose to comment. Its because your original comment makes me feel that because you are one of the top selling authors, that your items should be given special priority? I dont agree with that. The web is changing at an unprecedented pace, and we have to keep up with it, or some might have been top sellers at one point, they wont stay the same today.
Also someone mentioned X, design wise thats a horrible theme(not a personal attack at anyone). Not one single version of that theme would get accepted here. I understand why the reviewers initially chose to reject it. But sadly a whole lot of features apparently win over design quality.