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digitalscience
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Everyone does that though, nothing new. When there’s a new selling point, like being fastest selling item or #1 – authors mention it. It’s just marketing.
I specifically brought that up in response to someone saying that buyers don’t care about the top files list. And judging by Themeco’s recent marketing in addition to Avada’s drop in sales, I’d say buyers do take the file’s rank into consideration. And given that that’s our reality, we should safeguard authors’ attempts to try and deliberately manipulate the top files numbers.

It’s logical that being #1 is an advantage over #2 – there is a huge amount of cross links to the popular page throughout the site, so a lot of traffic is funneled to that page, and it’s just human nature to click on #1 first, so that explains Avada’s drop – which is only 8% so far.

Getting a bulk order is not deliberately manipulating sales – that would only be true if the author was actually buying their own items with their own money – so let’s not keep implying they’re doing something illegal. What happened here is ThemeCo sold a large amount of licences in one go, each licence is one sale, and their total sales for the week increased which happen to put them at #1 spot.

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digitalscience
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And it obviously matters to Themeco since they immediately ran marketing about being the fastest growing theme and holding the number 1 spot on the list. They know how important it is, and they’re capitalizing on it.

Everyone does that though, nothing new. When there’s a new selling point, like being fastest selling item or #1 – authors mention it. It’s just marketing.

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So we rather think this is all to manipulate the popular page? How about the fact they’re just making more sales? Why is the frequency of bulk purchases an issue, a customer can buy when they choose to. Are we going to question when and how many purchases are made? Why, so it’s fair to a top seller? We’re all independent sellers here, a sale is a sale, and customers decide what has the most sales each week. And it’s up to the author to make those sales happen, by promoting and making the right business decisions. As Envato stated they’ve checked these deals and all is above board – ThemeCo just stepped the game up.

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So what’s the main point of argument here.. if a customer buys too many licences, then it shouldn’t reflect on the sales count? What if someone bought 10 licences, or 100 should those reflect on the sales count? Why is it a problem that it’s 1000 licences, when they were paid for by a 3rd party legitimately – so why shouldn’t that reflect on the sales count, they are still sales. Is it because they knocked the long running top theme to #2? Why does that matter? Does that really effect the community here? No, all that happened is two themes swapped position for the moment, and that top them is still selling very well.

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So in your mind a bulk sale is ok, but not when they affect popular page positions? Right. A bulk order is just a large amount of sales in one go, but individual sales nevertheless, going to individual people who obtain individual licences. These aren’t artificial sales – they were all paid for. If an author gets a large order, then they deserve that sales count, regardless if they’re on the popular page or not. A sale is a sale.
By following your reasoning, if i’d pay somebody to do a bulk purchase of my items for the sole purpose of boosting my ranking in popular page, that would be fine because all sales were paid for and a sale is a sale.

No, if you paid someone to make a bulk order then that would be gaming the system. Only bulk orders through legitimate business partner deals.

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X-Theme just found a new way to sell their items, and clearly it works. Let’s not make it sound like getting bulk orders is easy and opens things up to ‘gaming the system’, because it actually takes business know how, and faith in your product to get someone to buy 1000 copies. If it was easy to do this, then we should all be out there trying to make these deals.

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Competition isn’t always gradual. Especially in this case where someone is making a bulk purchase. Are you opposed to bulk purchases? Are you opposed to large bulk purchases?
I already said i have nothing against bulk sales, what i’m against to are those figures affecting the popular list.

What if i’d offer my clients a discount would they accept to pay my freelance services with multiple bulk purchases ? Would that make my items more popular ? No, it would just artificially increase their ranking in the the popular page which isn’t the same thing in my book.

Envato should stop this now.

So in your mind a bulk sale is ok, but not when they affect popular page positions? Right.

A bulk order is just a large amount of sales in one go, but individual sales nevertheless, going to individual people who obtain individual licences. These aren’t artificial sales – they were all paid for. If an author gets a large order, then they deserve that sales count, regardless if they’re on the popular page or not. A sale is a sale.

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It’s only gaming the system if the author funded the bulk purchase. In my opinion, if you can find a company who wants to buy 2000 copies of your theme legitimately – then you deserve that sales count, because that’s not an easy task. Right now some of you guys are making a lot of assumptions based on nothing, I’m pretty sure Envato would’ve checked this deal thoroughly before going ahead.

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digitalscience
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Imho, that’s not really the point here. Bulk purchases per se are totally fine but whether or not they should affect the popular figures is open to discussion. To me, selling 1k license to a single costumer (for whatever reason), isn’t the same as selling to 1k different TF buyers.

It’s pretty much the same – the licences are transferred to each attendee – they own the licence – the only difference is someone else paid for it on their behalf. But in the end, licences were all paid for and users received them legitimately within Envato’s rules. But now that the volume was too big and it knocked a top theme to #2 is now a morality issue? This is a marketplace, we are here to make sales – as long as it’s in the rules, then it’s fair game.

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digitalscience
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What makes more sense is to buy licences as you need them, unless you can predict the future or have money to throw away.

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