So what’s the main point of argument here.. if a customer buys too many licences, then it shouldn’t reflect on the sales count? What if someone bought 10 licences, or 100 should those reflect on the sales count? Why is it a problem that it’s 1000 licences, when they were paid for by a 3rd party legitimately – so why shouldn’t that reflect on the sales count, they are still sales. Is it because they knocked the long running top theme to #2? Why does that matter? Does that really effect the community here? No, all that happened is two themes swapped position for the moment, and that top them is still selling very well.
digitalscience saidBy following your reasoning, if i’d pay somebody to do a bulk purchase of my items for the sole purpose of boosting my ranking in popular page, that would be fine because all sales were paid for and a sale is a sale.
So in your mind a bulk sale is ok, but not when they affect popular page positions? Right. A bulk order is just a large amount of sales in one go, but individual sales nevertheless, going to individual people who obtain individual licences. These aren’t artificial sales – they were all paid for. If an author gets a large order, then they deserve that sales count, regardless if they’re on the popular page or not. A sale is a sale.
No, if you paid someone to make a bulk order then that would be gaming the system. Only bulk orders through legitimate business partner deals.
X-Theme just found a new way to sell their items, and clearly it works. Let’s not make it sound like getting bulk orders is easy and opens things up to ‘gaming the system’, because it actually takes business know how, and faith in your product to get someone to buy 1000 copies. If it was easy to do this, then we should all be out there trying to make these deals.
MVPThemes saidI already said i have nothing against bulk sales, what i’m against to are those figures affecting the popular list.
Competition isn’t always gradual. Especially in this case where someone is making a bulk purchase. Are you opposed to bulk purchases? Are you opposed to large bulk purchases?
What if i’d offer my clients a discount would they accept to pay my freelance services with multiple bulk purchases ? Would that make my items more popular ? No, it would just artificially increase their ranking in the the popular page which isn’t the same thing in my book.
Envato should stop this now.
So in your mind a bulk sale is ok, but not when they affect popular page positions? Right.
A bulk order is just a large amount of sales in one go, but individual sales nevertheless, going to individual people who obtain individual licences. These aren’t artificial sales – they were all paid for. If an author gets a large order, then they deserve that sales count, regardless if they’re on the popular page or not. A sale is a sale.
It’s only gaming the system if the author funded the bulk purchase. In my opinion, if you can find a company who wants to buy 2000 copies of your theme legitimately – then you deserve that sales count, because that’s not an easy task. Right now some of you guys are making a lot of assumptions based on nothing, I’m pretty sure Envato would’ve checked this deal thoroughly before going ahead.
Imho, that’s not really the point here. Bulk purchases per se are totally fine but whether or not they should affect the popular figures is open to discussion. To me, selling 1k license to a single costumer (for whatever reason), isn’t the same as selling to 1k different TF buyers.
It’s pretty much the same – the licences are transferred to each attendee – they own the licence – the only difference is someone else paid for it on their behalf. But in the end, licences were all paid for and users received them legitimately within Envato’s rules. But now that the volume was too big and it knocked a top theme to #2 is now a morality issue? This is a marketplace, we are here to make sales – as long as it’s in the rules, then it’s fair game.
What makes more sense is to buy licences as you need them, unless you can predict the future or have money to throw away.
@ren_ben So you’re saying two business can’t work together to grow their businesses? And the fact they know each other is a problem ? It’s called a business partnership. X Theme is just thinking bigger here, and making good business decisions – so as long as it’s in the rules, then what’s the issue?
Look guys, it’s not like they’re buying their own files here… an online tutoring company approached them and wanted to buy a large amount of licences for a seminar, and then they purchased another round of licences as they needed them.
What were they suppose to have said, tell them “No not interested – that would be unfair to my competition” ?? come on, get real. Nothing unfair about, 100% legitimate as Envato has already stated. It’s called good business and making the right kind of partnerships to promote / sell your products.
Same as pre-planning an advertising campaign, and spending half your budget week one, and half week two. Either way all that is happening is an author is doing some marketing, and a customer is buying . Does it really matter how many and when sales are happening?