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ellos says

I was staying away from Creative Market because of a bit outdated look. The reason was simple – “if those guys can’t make their own site attractive and well-designed, then what to expect from the items sold there”?

A lot of people follow that logic and if you look at Envato now – a lot of future clients can be turned off due to it’s unprofessional look. I think that the change will not make a marketplace better or more profitable.

19 posts
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ellos says

I’m not sure… how many negative replies should be provided by the authors to be noticed by Envato? It looks like 50 pages is barely enough. What’s mind-boggling is not actually the lack of replies from Envato but the fact the every designer can attest that proposed design is just tasteless and unprofessional. How that substandard work got approved by the company that prides itself on strict design guidelines – that is the real mystery to me.

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ellos says

Unfortunately your submission THE CHANGES OF MARKETPLACES STYLING & WHITE BACKGROUND aren’t ready for ThemeForest and cannot be resubmitted as it did not meet our minimum requirements for quality and/or marketplace policies. In order for submissions to be considered for sale they must be of high aesthetic and technical quality, unique to our library and cannot be in violation of Envato’s policies. Please see our Knowledgebase for more information: http://support.envato.com/index.php?/Knowledgebase/Article/View/399/57/

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19 posts
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ellos says

Please go back to the way it was. Not ideal, but comparing to the new white version, it was great.

19 posts
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  • Has collected 10+ items on Envato Market
ellos says

Guys, it is really hard to believe that you are a design-oriented company, not sure who’s working on your stuff, but the new white look is absolutely unprofessional. It is flat out tasteless. And the font… Please fire whoever you hired s a consultant, it is a substandard job.

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ellos says

Yep. About a month ago I wanted to give some feedback in private through support. What I received was a canned message that didn’t have much in common with my comments. Surveys are easier to handle, you can put them into beautiful graphs showing the “reality” but they don’t question anything.

I actually have quite positive experience with replies from Envato guys, but the problem is that for the last year you have to wait at least a week before you get the reply. And everytime it comes with the line that says “we’re sorry, we’re dealing with a huge backlog”.
So it’s either the the sign that they are pretty understaffed or simply don’t care much about the impression that is made with huge delays. They were pretty good with understanding the reasons and providing the refunds when required, so this is the bright spot. But in the light of the recent push to implement mandatory support fees it doesn’t make much difference. And I have to admit – in my experience there is definitely more grey and black spots, and not a lot of bright ones when it comes to overall impression from Envato.

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ellos says

Surveys are easier to handle, you can put them into beautiful graphs showing the “reality” but they don’t question anything.

Yep, and as Hogash mentioned before – surveys can be easily manipulated with specific wording. Everybody who is familiar with the very basic marketing techniques knows how to do that. It’ s not that complicated at all. Even for a guy like me who doesn’t know much about it.

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ellos says

The other argument on pricing and other theme clubs such as Elegant Themes or iThemes, I have to agree and disagree. I agree that the other theme clubs do provide more quantity for the penny, so I only disagree on the design quality factor. Here on Themeforest you have the opportunity to find more unique features: page builders, built in features, more flexibility for each item individually. On top of that, each item is very documented and best sellers even provide video documentation (I would if that were the case). So on each side you have ups and downs. I have to side with Themeforest in all cases because it’s the best place for themes as we ever known it for quality, creativity and community.

My only hope now is that it stays “as is”.

Agree with some and disagree with some, see my comments below:

1. “Here on Themeforest you have the opportunity to find more unique features: page builders, built in features”
Agree. And this is why I was using 50% of the theme forest items for all my projects. Simply put – you have more choice and theme clubs can’t keep up with the amount of innovation or design options.
But – if I have to pay for every theme mandatory support fee then it would be impossible for me to keep up with costs. On top of all that – it would be a hard sell to convince clients to pay yearly support fee for the theme on top of the regular maintenance fee he pays for the site.
At the very least I can say that I will definitely cut down my spending on the theme forest items significantly.
I would probably choose Royal Theme or X – which are kinda theme clubs within themselves, and that’s it.

I’m quite sure this is the pattern that a lot of buyers would follow as well. They would choose only a themes that would give them an option to have ‘all-in-one’ and won’t buy single themes.

So if I’m correct in my assumption that as a result people would follow a pattern of buying fewer themes and only those that gives them ‘all-in-one’ – then it brings us to a quite important point. This is how you create inequality and huge gap between the authors who can create themes with 50 different demos and option, and guys who can create excellent themes but present only a couple of design options with the theme. And this is why Envato approach seems a bit hypocritical – they say that they care about the authors, but create a situation where users will buy fewer themes and only those who has lots and lots of options and demos. By doing so you are basically removing ‘small guys’ from the equation, You implement ‘survival of the fittest’ policy and claim at the same time that we are caring about our authors.


2. “I agree that the other theme clubs do provide more quantity for the penny, so I only disagree on the design quality factor. “
- Yes, but that doesn’t mean you can’t find really good themes with theme clubs. I’ve been using Elegant themes for a while – really good quality and FANTASTIC support. Usually reply comes within an hour.



P.S. Whatever I say is based on my perspective of a business owner who try to make his living from creating websites. Probably for a single theme one-time buyers it won’t have lots of implications to pay for support on a single item.

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ellos says


I’ve gone through the comments and Envato answers – it looks more and more as purposeless discussion for a number of reasons.

1. Whoever answers here is just to ‘small of a sample’ to affect the survey results.
2. Surveys are already conducted by Envato, and whatever is said here can’t affect them.

Seems like a feigned democracy, and that’s not a pleasant feeling.
Very interesting. The sad thing is why Envato staff opened a thread if they don’t care about our opinions?

Well, it’s not only sad, it insults intelligence in a way. It’s almost like hoping people wouldn’t be able to see through it all.
The only good thing that came out of it – I can get the authors angle on a lot of things. But that was not the point of the discussion.

19 posts
  • Has been part of the Envato Community for over 1 year
  • Has sold $1+ on Envato Market
  • Located in Canada
  • Has collected 10+ items on Envato Market
ellos says

I’ve gone through the comments and Envato answers – it looks more and more as purposeless discussion for a number of reasons.

1. Whoever answers here is just to ‘small of a sample’ to affect the survey results.
2. Surveys are already conducted by Envato, and whatever is said here can’t affect them.

Seems like a feigned democracy, and that’s not a pleasant feeling.

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