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htmgarcia says


You just said, buy a theme that actually include 30+ themes means you will buy a license for every site where you plan to use that same item. Why not buy a single theme design (with only one design and flexibility in the use and features) if at the end you would buy a new license of the same item for every site you would built? Assuming they would actually buy.

I will give you an example:

A insurance start up asks for a website. They need a basic 3-page site for now, but tell you that they want to add content slowly as and when they work out all the details, eventually evolving into a full site with all sorts of functionality. If you are a overworked web developer, and you don’t want headache later on, the easiest option is to use a theme that you are familiar with and one that has loads of options. As opposed to learning and modifying a new theme and for each and every small project.

For practical (+ legal) reasons, we get the client to purchase a licence so they can update it themselves.

What you are saying actually applies to any well coded theme/template. The best themes are designed to be flexible and updatable. That is not exclusive of multi themes items.

Remember: the main complain here is not about buyers getting those big themes, is about Envato not pricing and categorizing properly the multi themes items.

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htmgarcia says

When in a rush it is a lot better to have a theme that will cover any possible requirements from demanding clients than to use a theme that can’t do much, or even worse will not work with popular plugins.

You just said, buy a theme that actually include 30+ themes means you will buy a license for every site where you plan to use that same item. Why not buy a single theme design (with only one design and flexibility in the use and features) if at the end you would buy a new license of the same item for every site you would built? Assuming they would actually buy.

About buyers getting a new license for every new site they built, wonderful if all of them do it that way but is very possible they abuse of Multi themes items to pay a single license and use in 30+ domains. That is cheap, they would pay $58 and they build 30+ sites, that is a deal!

Buyer win, Author lose

A fair deal would be about both parts winning.

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htmgarcia says

This is not allowed, the banner has been removed. We’re particularly careful with these banners but things like this can slip easily. Thanks for the heads up.

Thanks for the reply @Ivor. The banner has been removed by the author (the same author posted the update here, we appreciate his honesty) but the complains go beyond a banner advertising, is about Envato allowing selling multi themes products. Please read the previous comments in this thread to see what I mean.

Note: is not about being rude with other authors, is about how Envato as a company allows compete very different kind of products in same categories.

Theme bundles vs Single themes. Is just not fair.

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htmgarcia says

Hi @code-less

We appreciate you changed this statement. Honestly, I don’t think allow multiple themes in one product is author’s fault, is Envato’s responsability. If they allow this, of course as authors we would try to sell in the way the trends are pointing.

@code-less IMHO there is a point about complaining about multiple themes in a single product. Your theme (based on demo images from the description page) contain actually 23 different themes. That is not theme variation or home page variation demos, looks like 23 completelly different themes for a small price. Is smart for business in short term, but bad in long term.

I respect the freedom to develop and design unique and great stuff, but this will kill the market, why? If people buy a theme that include many theme designs (I would think) is because the buyer plans to use that same item in many websites even if they purchase a regular license (allowed for 1 website only).

+1 for a new category for multi themes items with higher prices (not multipurpose, there is a huge difference about design variations, specifically in UI)

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htmgarcia says


Again i am asking for a valid argument, why taking 30% on support earning?
There is none, authors support was an untapped resource for Envato, they’ve just seen the success with Envato Studio and making money using human resources.. and obviously a light bulb went off and ‘paid support’ became something to push here ;)

+1

Envato need to be smart on this and respect our work as authors:

Themeforest and Codecanyon are microstock sites
Envato Studio is a service site

That being said, why not have authors Themeforest/Condecanyon accounts linked in some clear way from the items to Envato Studio and sell support packages from that place?

The commission for Envato should be lower, 30% is too much just for doing nothing.
Authors would do all the work. 10% or even less is better for commision.

IMHO Envato pretend to be a kind of Paypal? Even they take around 7% of every transaction but at least they built a payment system; they have at least that reason :)

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htmgarcia says

Hey there! Please fill out this link. Your message will be handled by support once you use that form, and they will get back to you shortly. Thank you! :)

Wow! Now we have a form to request refunds in a comfortable way?? Envato, I like this kind of service you provide to buyers, what about something similar for Authors to request remove unfair ratings? :)

Sorry if this sounds off-topic, I’m surprised to see that the “get your refund” form exist.

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htmgarcia says

Hmm, ok so now I need to read again TOS from 2011 when I was signing up, anyone has the link for the older Envato TOS please?

Fortunately we can search back in time. Check from here: https://web.archive.org/web/20120101144342/http://themeforest.net/wiki/support/legal-terms/legal-user-terms-and-conditions/

Note: not sure if that direct link is what you asked, even if not you can click on all the website and find the information available at that time on Themeforest.net

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htmgarcia says

as an author (trying to become into tf) now i know, how it sounds weird to buyers so we either include images in download bundle or give link to each image in documentation.

Providing links to original images sounds like a relatively good solution.

Keep trying, I’m sure as long as you work hard you will have items approved in near future on Themeforest :) Don’t give up!

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htmgarcia says


I understand your point about getting free images from the big sellers included in the themes, that’s nice but I don’t see the point to provide demo images if the idea of build a new site is not copy the content. I mean, are everybody creating exact same copies of the demo themes for them?
Whether there is a point or no point, the fact is that for some reason people do ascribe value to dummy content with images.

For third time, in case you didn’t read:
I already explained what happen if you provide the demo images in the final zip file, Envato doesn’t allow to do it even if you try.

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htmgarcia says

I’ll do you the favour. Once.

You complained that;

Everybody wants free stuff, just remember: Themeforest is a place to buy/sell themes and templates, if you need images go to Photodune and pay for it.
Now, If the big sellers are giving ‘free stuff’ – that is photos in our case. (you still with me?) and others are not, people are going to go with the big selling themes, and ignore the small players. Better Value.
Thanks for explaining. I was not complaining, was defending the author’s work IMHO :)

I already explained what happen if you provide the demo images in the final zip file, Envato doesn’t allow to do it even if you try.

Other important point is about respect the people’s work (authors in this case). I understand your point about getting free images from the big sellers included in the themes, that’s nice but I don’t see the point to provide demo images if the idea of build a new site is not copy the content. I mean, are everybody creating exact same copies of the demo themes for them?

By the way, you said you are doing a favor to me just because you are explaining something? lol :D Such attitude is what creates problems between authors and buyers.
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