Posts by jonathan01

2276 posts Bird is the word..
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  • Elite Author: Sold more than $75,000 on Envato Market
  • Has sold $500,000+ on Envato Market
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jonathan01 says

for next time when we need to change badges.

calculate team hours to create badges. calculate cost based on said hours required for badge creation.

take those money and create a contest. users creates badges set. chose set based on community + staff vote.

everybody happy (except those that voted for a different set than the one that won :D )



not to excuse anybody but probably envato have schedules to follow. is not that you show up to work at the office and say: “is time to work on badges people, because people don’t like them!” you need to follow the schedule the boss decided
That’s exactly how an idea for current badges was born tho. :D
looks like management need to keep an eye on the team then. who knows what they want to change one morning. Imagine Collis one day come up to his office and finds all the walls full of huge badges drawings.

I was under the impression they used the services of someone on Envato Studio, not a staff member – I swear I read about this somewhere.

EDIT: I looked at the blog post announcing them but I guess I was wrong, I swear I read it somewhere and it even had a link to their services on ES?

Jonathan

2276 posts Bird is the word..
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  • Has sold $500,000+ on Envato Market
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jonathan01 says

We already filled it, but we think that the survey it’s really biased towards the mandatory support. None of the questions ask if the author is in favor or against this new system. It seems that you already have it all decided. One of the biased questions is having us respond how much period of support we offer or “what proportion of buyers abuse support” and having the higher choice “more than 10%” (which is a pretty low choice between 7 SEVEN options). There’s a difference between offering support to your buyers as a good will service and offering mandatory support. We will loose that added value and the buyers will think that we owe our time to them. Don’t get me wrong, we are really happy to help our customers, but in OUR TERMS. We also have to add that we filled the survey but not with much hopes. We recently filled the New Badges survey and the response to the results from Envato was “We don’t care about the results, we’re still going with what we think is right, design in subjective” (hard rejected authors, you could use that! :P ) and filling the survey brought zero changes. Very disappointing.

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I just completed the survey and almost stopped about halfway through because of the same reasons as mentioned above. Although I understand you are data gathering, I’m pretty sure that’s about it, not actually asking us for thoughts – that’s a shame as your ‘community’ is really trying to do that, you’ve missed an opportunity I feel.

Your authors have already stated, with some passion I might add, what they don’t agree with, this info collected didn’t ask any of the important questions raised in the threads I feel.

Anyways, survey has been completed with honest and factual answers as requested to help you plan your new rules and regulations.

2276 posts Bird is the word..
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jonathan01 says


This whole thing was explained badly and made things more confusing. I think we can all agree to that and it’s something both Collis and Envato need to work better at.

However, can someone explain how, if as an author I am earning the same, then how come I just sold an email template and earned $11.90 today that 2 days ago I earned $13.30 (same item – same selling price) – to me that appears as if I lost around 11% in my earnings on that sale.

11% less earnings seems like I gave more to someone somewhere?

Again, maybe I got something wrong here and don’t understand it still (it seems like an alteration of income vs expenses for tax purposes to benefit Envato) but I have seen repeatably Collis say it will make really no difference to your earnings.

Jonathan

Hi Jonathan, evidently yes I should have done a better job of explaining. Things like fees are tough, and unfortunately one of the effects of this change is the introduction of complexity – when normally we actively work to decrease it.

In terms of the earnings, I’m not sure I followed your example – but assume there was a Handling Fee involved? In which case, as I mentioned previously the overall effect should be pretty much negated by increase in conversion, recent price increase, and for non-exclusives the fees change.

I’m sorry I guess I need to explain better also :)

I sold an item today and my earning is less than when I sold it 2 days ago.

I therefore see a decrease I my earnings.

I hope this explains things a little easier.

2276 posts Bird is the word..
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jonathan01 says

Hey bud that wasn’t my quote ;)

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jonathan01 says




This whole thing was explained badly and made things more confusing. I think we can all agree to that and it’s something both Collis and Envato need to work better at.

However, can someone explain how, if as an author I am earning the same, then how come I just sold an email template and earned $11.90 today that 2 days ago I earned $13.30 (same item – same selling price) – to me that appears as if I lost around 11% in my earnings on that sale.

11% less earnings seems like I gave more to someone somewhere?

Again, maybe I got something wrong here and don’t understand it still (it seems like an alteration of income vs expenses for tax purposes to benefit Envato) but I have seen repeatably Collis say it will make really no difference to your earnings.

Jonathan
It’s your 70% of the “Paypal charge” for non-deposits, which you are no longer receiving. You used to get your share of the $2 surcharge.
And so you validated my claim. Authors will earn less :) therefore Collis saying authors will earn about the same isn’t correct? :)

but you don’t get that for every sale so it’s not a guaranteed loss and you were never supposed to get 70% of the surcharge but poor systems made it difficult for Envato to add it into the system properly.

As I said a few pages back. call it a bonus due to old systems but you’re not actually losing money, you’re still getting your 70% but you’re not getting your “bonus” anymore.

It will be a killer for the Elite authors, losing $1.40 per every so often sale but it does mean Envato are making that few extra $$ so they can invest in their staff without so many more price increases.

I don’t particularly call it a bonus because a bonus is a one-off periodic increase to earnings – like a Christmas bonus some companies give out. That’s a bonus. If I have earned that for a consistent and considerable time that is part of my earnings, not a bonus. If Envato didn’t do it right to start with that’s not my problem sorry.

At the end of the day authors earn less, I have already proven this in comparison with the same item sold today compared to 2 days ago. All I care about is what I earn, nothing else as I am a business. My partner just lowered my earning expectations and yet the message they are pumping out is nothing changed for me – that is incorrect and is the basis of my argument.

Personally I don’t sell thousands of items per month and therefore the drop in earnings will not be massive for myself, but for those top sellers per month this will result in hundreds of dollars which could of potentially covered the cost of a support person. Not good for them at all.

2276 posts Bird is the word..
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  • Elite Author: Sold more than $75,000 on Envato Market
  • Has sold $500,000+ on Envato Market
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jonathan01 says


This whole thing was explained badly and made things more confusing. I think we can all agree to that and it’s something both Collis and Envato need to work better at.

However, can someone explain how, if as an author I am earning the same, then how come I just sold an email template and earned $11.90 today that 2 days ago I earned $13.30 (same item – same selling price) – to me that appears as if I lost around 11% in my earnings on that sale.

11% less earnings seems like I gave more to someone somewhere?

Again, maybe I got something wrong here and don’t understand it still (it seems like an alteration of income vs expenses for tax purposes to benefit Envato) but I have seen repeatably Collis say it will make really no difference to your earnings.

Jonathan
It’s your 70% of the “Paypal charge” for non-deposits, which you are no longer receiving. You used to get your share of the $2 surcharge.

And so you validated my claim. Authors will earn less :) therefore Collis saying authors will earn about the same isn’t correct? :)

2276 posts Bird is the word..
  • Located in United States
  • Elite Author: Sold more than $75,000 on Envato Market
  • Has sold $500,000+ on Envato Market
  • Has been part of the Envato Community for over 6 years
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jonathan01 says

This whole thing was explained badly and made things more confusing. I think we can all agree to that and it’s something both Collis and Envato need to work better at.

However, can someone explain how, if as an author I am earning the same, then how come I just sold an email template and earned $11.90 today that 2 days ago I earned $13.30 (same item – same selling price) – to me that appears as if I lost around 11% in my earnings on that sale.

11% less earnings seems like I gave more to someone somewhere?

Again, maybe I got something wrong here and don’t understand it still (it seems like an alteration of income vs expenses for tax purposes to benefit Envato) but I have seen repeatably Collis say it will make really no difference to your earnings.

Jonathan

2276 posts Bird is the word..
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  • Elite Author: Sold more than $75,000 on Envato Market
  • Has sold $500,000+ on Envato Market
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jonathan01 says

I am just thinking how Envato will deal with: A customer buy a support package, but me as author I want to delete the item in the next 2 days, then I guess he paid for support but never got it :)

Yup I just recently added a comment to the main thread detailing this exact issue that was also brought up some time ago by organicbee

2276 posts Bird is the word..
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jonathan01 says

I do believe I found the massive elephant in the room here that blows all this idea out of the water – maybe.

Author uploads item and people start to buy it, he does this part time because he has a job and as the marketplaces are a marketplace for individuals to sell items they make to earn extra income (btw that’s how the marketplaces lure authors, extra money, in your spare time etc.).

After a while his sales are not what he expected, or he gets a new job, decides he wants to become a monk etc, so he removes his items.

That’s basically how it happens right now, ask the buyers who are pissed that items and authors just disappear.

Imagine now that as a buyer you bought and paid for extra support.

You just paid for nothing at all.

How will Envato deal with this? Because from what I see Envato are the ones selling the support package, they are therefore not delivering what they sold and are liable.

2276 posts Bird is the word..
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jonathan01 says

Here’s a thought.

  • Buyer gets theme
  • Buyer goes to request support from author
  • Buyer doesn’t get a response within 72 hours
  • Buyer opens ticket at Envato to complain
  • Envato support answer buyer in 9 days.

Fail.

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