The discussion in regards to the tags and incorrect results was responded to by a dev I believe who explained a little better how the system works and that it is indeed working correctly.
Sorry but if a dev has to explain how things work to make people who think it is not working correctly tells me it’s a flawed system – nothing should need explanation.
A limit on the tags is somewhat necessary otherwise authors will put as many tags in as possible to get better search results (which will result in inaccurate results). Reviewers change tags to help the author’s item, this is a good thing. It also helps prevent misuse of the tagging system.
I understand and agree we need a limit – but it’s far too small right now. And surely this is a case for wether an author uses the tags correctly to get better search results – that’s what it’s all about isn’t it? Exposure to your items I mean to get more sales and make more money.
I don’t think tags need to be immediately apparent do they? I mean, when you’re looking at an item you found after typing in a couple tags in search, I don’t think you’re looking at the item’s tags.
I was not meaning the list of tags on an items page – buyers have to get to that item first I think that if, as was already stated many many times, that the homepage is becoming over crowded and not working right now, then yes I feel SEARCH (or tags if you want to call it that) does need to be apparent – just like I said with istock – the only thing on that home page of significance is the search box. Maybe this redesign will have a better more focused approach to things.
I think it’s a matter of having to educate the users that they will have to start to SEARCH for a description of the kind of thing they are wanting – again these are not stock images, so I don’t know how that can really work and benefit buyers – not sure why it’s not setup more like a css gallery – that would benefit users greatly – new designs on one nice big page – rollover for preview – or based on ratings etc plus categories.
There’s always going to be resistance to change. It’s just part of the whole process in moving forward in life.
There is no resistance to change here – there is a community voice to make sure that things do not go sour for the people that help to provide Envato’s revenue. We are after all just making suggestions here which we a have been encouraged to do by the site manager.
It should also be noted that, as ThemeForest grows, less and less emphasis will be placed on homepage exposure. Alternate promotional routes will have to be taken. As mentioned in our management conference call, when you visit iStock, do you only look at the front page? No – you search for your needed photo. This is precisely why we’re placing so much emphasis on tagging.
hmmm… but alternative promotion is quite limited for a lot of authors here and the front page exposure has been very well discussed by a large proportion of the authors as being accountable for anywhere up to 50% of sales – plus I believe there was a discussion last week or so about the tags not seemingly giving correct results at all – plus with the limitation of the number of tags people can place on to a new file and then this quite often being altered by reviewers it’s already a flawed system in my opinion – needs some serious work – plus in it’s current design the tags are not immediately apparent, plus the users of the site are used to a format – new files=home page – not sure how easy it will be to break this mentality but I guess time will tell.
iStock is an unfair comparison at this point – people hunting for stock images know what they want – people – red – modern – business – voila – there’s a bunch of pics from the simple search you have on the homepage – templates are different and people don’t always know what they want.
Like I said time will tell I guess. Just putting my point of view across.
Some good points there and def. worth consideration I think – not sure abut the 6 month gap though – I prefer that this would be based on value added additions / significant increase in value – why? Because let’s say something new and wonderful comes along tomorrow and I want to add this new “thing” to my templates then I would have to potentially wait 6 months…
Again not sure about the 2 reviewers being needed surely this would extend the acceptance time and take up reviewers valuable time – right now in the short space of time I have been on the site it’s gone from about 4 hrs to several days in some situations to get a review. Better that one reviews and passes / rejects, no?
Again your previous comment / well discussed idea of an updated or New version tab would be perfect for this as not to over crowd the already seriously over crowded and messy home page new release area.
I’m all up for this kind of extension to TF and it’s buyers – what is better than buying a file, being happy and then a short period later the author creates a value pack to add on to the original item for free – inside the download we can have the full new product and also an updated files only that contains the files necessary to replace / add on to their first download – buyers would surely welcome this?
We may also want to include the option to ask for a slight increase in resale price if the extensions are worthy? Just in case someone doubles the value of their template (let’s say they include 3 new color choices from a single color choice / more pages / new validation contact form that wasn’t part of original package and want to add $2 / $3 more to the price?
I just want to state in my defense that the updates I was talking about were not UPDATES – rather value ADDED items that I would take the time to create to make my existing templates have a new lease of life – I would of course offer the updates to my existing buyers for free (unfortunately no way of knowing who they are with the current system so I cannot contact them to let them know to re-download or even just offer the new files as a link) and not just a matter of attempting to make money – but heck in reality yup that is what I want in the end – but not updates for the sake of updating just to get to the homepage.
Just want to make it clear as Epicera mentioned:
“Why should I release an update if I’m not compensated for it?”
That was not my argument – my argument was that if I added new items as a benefit that were substantial could I get a stab at promoting based off the original comments in this thread – Jeffrey said he was not closed to this decision but it would be up to the reviewer.
Really I think the most discussed topic of late has really been the home page organization needed for templates / wordpress to be on a different tab to the special pages (how many more chrome / steel styled error pages do we need?) code snippets etc – and I agree a recently updated with a high level of requirement would be an excellent addition for sure.
hosting is like anything else – you get what you pay for.
Try Hostdime – been with them for about 8 yrs – also with Mediatemplae but can’t say it’s worth the extra over hostdime.
Unlimited databases doesn’t normally break or make a deal – if you are a reseller or something like that it normally is that way anyways.
Search these forums for many previous posts discussing hosting – there are plenty.
I haven’t personally made any one-time exceptions. I’ll look into the situation a bit more. Maybe Jarel will pipe in with more details, as I honestly don’t remember when his item was accepted.
@jonathan01 – I want to clarify that I’m personally in favor of bumping select items back to the front page—if the update is substantial enough. Of course, this decision would be at the discretion of the author. However, as of right now, updates are not bumped to the front.
Thanks for letting me know – I may re-consider my updates – will be sure to ref this message and ask the reviewer – I presume you meant discretion of the reviewer and not the author
Thanks for clearing that up @JeffreyWay – I guess I will not bother with the extra work at this point – just do the extra stuff in my new templates only.
I understand that if all you did was change a css file a little or added another blank page etc that it should not be on the front again – but I am meaning if the additions were extensive to say increase files and options by 30% that’s a lot of work. I understand this could be seen as a possible way to just keep releasing stuff but maybe a minimum amount of changes and only once per file or something to stop abuse.The item I talk about has been updated with a php contact form.
Hmm.. doesn’t seem like much of an upgrade – I think the bar should be higher.
I understand that if all you did was change a css file a little or added another blank page etc that it should not be on the front again – but I am meaning if the additions were extensive to say increase files and options by 30% that’s a lot of work.
I understand this could be seen as a possible way to just keep releasing stuff but maybe a minimum amount of changes and only once per file or something to stop abuse.