This has us burning. We own hosting, and design services, and now we find we are competing against Envato wiith our own clientele.
We can’t charge 3rd world rates as we are not third world in location.
This had better change quickly. Don’t know who thought out this one but it is completely antagonistic to authors.
We very much agree with the idea proposed by the thread author that MultiPurpose themes should be priced higher, and we are purely a multi-purpose theme author (at least for the theme we have at Themeforest under Lin’s personal account).
We agree with this as well. MultiPurpose themes are signficantly underpriced. We have 2 other themes, not sold under Kappy’s personal name but in our corporate entity that are priced between $120 and $200, and the uptake of each is greater then MultiFlex, so our experience is that price is not an issue for high quality products.
There is truth in the statement that not every purchaser needs the kitchen sink. But theme purchaser are like homebuyers, they want as much for their money as they can obtain even if that finished basement with w extra bathrooms and 3 extra bedrooms will never get used. Once they see one builder offering all the goodies, they demand it everywhere they go.
We have resisted the temptation to provide templates with our multipurpose theme at Themeforest,but buyers are asking constantly for them. We feel we may have no choice soon but to follow this model, if we wish to continue with any product at Themeforest, in absence of the marketplace revising pricing and policy concerning theme content.
What really should happen is that not only should there be an an increase in pricing for multipurpose themes, but there in fact shold be a grid. The minmum factors should be base theme, # of templates, and # of integrated plugins. As the increments of any increase, the price should escalate.
Such a pricing grid would also make the whole issue of extended plugin licenses go away. IF a theme has a premium plugin such as the Rev Slider, visual composer, etc incorporated, then the price would increase by the amount of that plugin. The theme author would get the normal affiliate fee, and the plugin builder and themeforest their portions.
The key here is that the plugin would actually have to be truly integrated, where its functionality is actually parsed to some theme functions -> an example here for any familiar with Striking MultiFlex is that we have the Rev Slider filtered into our feature header settings for slideshows -> you don’t need the rev slider shortcodes in order to display a revolution slider.
If a plugin is not actually integrated in such a manner, then it should not be allowed for inclusion at all in the theme package. Of course the theme author has to be responsible for plugin support within the context of its usage within the theme. And be prepared to interact directly with the plugin authors when a plugin issue arises, rather then the theme purchasers.
Such requirements would immediately alleviate the plugin abuse that is occurring.
And templates should likewise not be free. Every template supplied should incur an additional cost, and realistically, it should be not less then $10-$15 per template, at least in a more sophisticated theme.
Such a pricing grid would be the absolute fairest system, and eliminate all the various methods of gaming the system that currently exist, which comprise the underlying theme of this thread.
I could post an image of the grid I am suggesting although I suspect you all understand.
We keep on reading in various threads that Envato consults with established authors about matters. Well, they have never consulted with us and unless something has changed, our single theme here is still one of the best sellers of all time, and been in the markeplace for 4 yrs now. I personally have spoken to over 4000 of our Striking MultiFlex theme buyers, but not yet Envato, in all that time. I smell something….....
ThemePunch addressed this months ago. This news is so old news. Sucuri, Dreamhost and others are making hay of this now solely for profit purposes.
For any Striking MultiFlex users, all theme versions 1.0.2 and subsequent (and all the preceeding 1.0.2 betas which were released only as internal builds to users who were interested) in Feb/March 2014 of this year incorporated the updated version of the Rev Slider plugin with the vulnerability removed.
We are now at Version 1.1 of Striking MultiFlex.
Themepunch addressed this matter immediately upon knowledge of it. Its right in their log. If you did not understand it then you should have asked them. They have a very active support team and are extremely easy to reach – we can vouch for that as we speak with them all the time.Themeforest is supposed to be a marketplace for professionals – so it stands to reason that if you are not keeping on top of scripts, theme updates (irrespective of theme) and plugin updates, as a professional you don’t have anyone to blame anyone but yourself. If you are in the DIY category of user, and have a theme with a concern or an author who has not updated, then advise Themeforest – don’t take it out on the marketplace because you did not understand your purchase terms, or the high quality developers.
Themes are under no obligation to update. The Themeforest sales model is one buys a piece of software at an inexpensive price, and upon successful downloading the contract is fulfilled. Simple, End of Story! Its right in the marketplace licensing terms. It makes sense to choose an author (like us!) who has a long term track record of maintaining a theme, but that is your choice.
AS well, were one following wp best practices such as moving the wp config file outside the root, or moving the wp admin, or even employing a simple tweak or two in the .htaccess file for limiting access, the issue of the vulnerability that was in the Rev Slider is moot.
Yes, the plugin had a vulnerability, but so have many widely used theme scripts in the past. Remember Timthumb? The last wp core update 3.9.2 was entirely about removing potential hacks. Same with many of the php updates.
What we think is more relevant is that one has been shown a significant weakness inthe product offerings of both Sucuri, and Dreamhost. We never recommend either to any of our customers but this is yet more proof that there is less then meets the eye there in respect of their products. They are attempting to hop on the train but it left the station months ago…......
As for not allowing wp plugins to be placed into a theme which has been noted in a comment or two of this thread, sorry, that is so much hogwash. For a theme developer plugins are just another form of script that potentially can be deployed in a theme. If you are concerned about a theme that has built-in plugins, its simple, don’t purchase. But sorry, we are not going to restrict our themebuilding decisions on the basis of such elementary concerns.
Every theme is in fact just a collection of scripts in one form or another, and if the integration of such concerns you, then really there is nothing at all you can use.
We have to bite our tongues every time we see this type of issue about plugins included in a theme raised at Themeforest. How premium plugins are advertized when included in a theme is a relevant discussion. Pricing for extended plugin licenses is a relevant discussion. But really, the issue of inclusion of plugins, whether one has offloaded one’s own code for a function into a built-in plugin, included a codex plugin such as breadcrumbs plus, or a premium plugin, just shouts, well that part is best left unsaid…....
The goal at themeforest should not be to dumb down every theme to the level of that found in the codex, at wordpress.com or some of the competing theme sites such as template monster. That is the goal of the competition hammering away at Themeforest due to the current issue. Don’t fall for it.
We believe our idea of having the private comment also respondable, and that all 1-2 or 1-3 star ratings be parked for a 7 day colling off period while an attempted resolution occurs (see prior comment in this thread for more info including checks and balances in the rating process to discourage fraudulent ratings) is both sensible and quickly implementable.
KaptinLin experienced another 1 star rating episode yesterday (please note his Striking theme has only received only 28 one star ratings in 4 years out of several thousand ratings and so any low rating is an event and warrants attention). The user out of the blue decided it was worth 1 star as it did not possess a feature he wanted. It was essentially “add this feature or you get 1 star”. We pointed out this was an abuse of the rating system, plus many other valid points.
He did rerate, for which we are grateful, and had the simple system proposed been in place,the rating would never have happened and I would not have a developer foaming at the mouth he is so angry at such abuse.
The marketplace is losing high quality authors due to such matters (pricing is another) and others will not consider coming to it for the same. That is what we have been told in discussions with authors we support.
Envato should set a minimum price, and allow authors to set any price above that. There should be no maximum. It’s pretty terrible and ridiculous that no matter how much effort or quality you pour into an item it will always be priced within 10% of every of item in the same category.
If you make an absolutely revolutionary WordPress theme it will be at most $10 more than the average. In no sense does this benefit ingenuity and creativity. Envato has claimed numerous times that it’s illegal in Australia to discuss pricing in the open. Maybe so. But what about artificially limiting the control authors have to maximize their (and by extension Envato’s) profits?
Some authors will overprice. Most will settle near the minimum, which should match Envato’s minimum standards for quality. I would price way higher and I think many authors could sell that value if there was an incentive to.Let the free market decide what is valued.
+1 to this as well.
In fact the current pricing system is quite opaque. But the suggestion of there being a floor, and then authors can set a price higher if they feel is appropriate, would certainly be an incentive for our group that works with KaptinLin to either release more code to him for adaptation to his current theme, or bring additional themes to this marketplace.
As long as a floor was in place, the whole issue of authors undercutting is moot. It would also be highly beneficial if there was even a “modest” amount of transparency to the current pricing grid. As it stands currently, it appears to be 100% subjective.
We rarely participate in these Themeforest threads, but we feel it appropriate to add our support on this matter. We only maintain one theme at Themeforest under Lin’s personal name (Striking MultiFlex), and this rating system, with the inability to reply or at least contact someone who provides a 1 or 2 star rating, is part of the reason.
Very recently, after going many months without a 1 or 2 star rating for the Striking theme, out of the blue a purchaser rates it 1 star and another 2 stars. We maintain our own support site, and our Support tab, and the Item Details clearly indicate that support is rendered at our site, not the comments tab of the theme. Neither user had ever registerd or posted at our forum, or even posted a comment in the theme comments tab indicating they were having an issue.
It is hard enough for a theme when it is 4 yrs old to maintain any visibility at Themeforest. Theme updates and quality coding count for nothing and support is a constant battle in order to not see the theme rating decline. The impact of 1 and 2 star ratings that cannot be challenged in any way is thus highly detrimental.
We provide support to other authors, and have seen them suffer from this, which is reflected in author comments in this thread.
In our opinion the current rating system is very author “unfriendly” given that this is supposed to be a marketplace for authors, and as Collis put it “low price themes with no support, targeting professionals”. Since it is supposed to be a marketplace of professionals targeting professionals, there should be no issues in peers contacting each other.
We believe the ratings system needs some rethink, and such rethink should be done in consultation with the marketplace authors.
We suggest that when purchaser provides a 1-3 star rating there should be some qualifiers the moment one of these star ratings is toggled, such as “did you contact the author?”, “How did you contact the author (ie forum, email, did they follow support methodology, and the email or forum name they used)”. “Did they respond”, “what theme and wp version are you using”, etc. The ratings form should have qualifiers/validation in the process so it can be determined how, when and under what name they did such. This way, it can be determined if it ratings spam, or other maliscious intent.
Alternatively, leave the rating private, but provide a way for the author to respond in the private comments, like can be done in the public comments. The purchaser would see the response (there should be an automatic email triggered when the author responds) and a dialog can commence. The rating would be “suspended” from true implementation until either a period of time (say 7 days) and after that period of time if the purchaser does not respond, or the responses are intractable/unreasonable, then the author can request removal.
You see where I am going with this…. Such qualifiers will allow for true determination if the rating is “earned”, and provide an opportunity to either address, remove if unearned, or when appropriate, take our lumps.
We think this matter can be easily resolved with just a bit of effort from Themeforest. The 2nd suggestion above should be very quick to implement, and would at least provide a stop gap pending a more complete methodology.
The ideas above from other authors about an agreement to refund, and several others are all fine ideas
Anyways some quick thoughts from our group.
Do not lock this thread. We have some input we wish to provide once we finish the work we are doing on a project. Its about time a major theme author provided some feedback on this matter, and we will do such soon.
I just changed from Striking Theme – which had wonderful results in google to Innovado Theme, which has ruined my search results and google previews completely. It might be a problem with the revolution slider, but the result that now image file names show up in Google preview. I even use All in One Seo plugin, but the change from one theme to another did this. Next time I will be careful with a theme and try the seo out before I make the change…
This is James from the Striking Team. Whatever possessed you to do that! As you discovered, Striking is one of the best coded themes around from an SEO perspective. And if you needed responsive, you should have jumped to the responsive beta, free for all the Striking owners pending the next official update of Striking (the update to responsive is a theme update, so no charge for existing owners!! You can obtain the responsive beta via the Striking support forum).
And although the theme you jumped to what appears to be a very reasonable entry level premium theme, its not in the same league in as Striking (and even less so Striking Responsive). Buyers need to review themeforest’s own guidelines for themes. There is a very significant degree of difference between a $40, $45, $50… etc theme. And Striking Responsive will most likely be priced at either $60 or $65 when it takes the place formally of original Striking. Its like comparing a budget car to a luxury car. That is the difference. You went from the luxury car to the budget car. Both are good cars in their own right, but they are not really comparable in respect of coding, features, complexity, ability, etc. You traded down on almost every option conceivable when you made the switch. Again, please note I am not knocking the Inovado theme, it appears to be a good $45 theme offering the appropriate features for its price point.
I recommend you jump to Striking Responsive, although you may already have toasted yourself. If you have any questions, please post at the Striking support forum.
Striking Responsive has some built in features for WP SEO (it automatically supports Yoast Titles and Breadcrumbs), however, we equally recommend All in One which is also an excellent SEO Plugin.
I won’t get into the meat of an SEO discussion here. A theme has a role to play in SEO, in WP an SEO plugin has a role to play, content has a role to play, and depending on the search engine, quality inbound links have a role to play. And that is just the start of matters.
It would be nice if it was in Canada as many of us Canadians no longer will cross the border into the USA. There have been many horror stories recently for Canucks crossing the border, and its so bad that even American who come up here for various reasons dread crossing back into their own country.
Toronto is the 4th largest CMA in Canada/USA so is it not about time something occurs here?
I no see badge. But some slider scripts in current striking cannot be converted to responsive.
In any case, we releasing shortly a new version of Striking in responsive form.
Please contact me and advise why you working with Striking without a license. I need explanation or report to TF. If working on customer site, fine, but advice so.