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. I’m currently self employed and earning under the VAT threshold, my company is not VAT registered so does the EU VAT still apply to me?
If you sell directly to any EU customer outside the UK, yes. If you only sell through marketplaces, however, they will take care of the whole VAT aspect themselves.
This is what’s confusing me, all of my customers are UK based :-/

Most important question is whether they are business customers or not. For business customers there is no difference.

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Hello!

I got feature request.

Could someone (staff?) provide summary with number of slots available for First 20 prizes and describe new arrivals with clear info if they are upgraded/converted or new designs?

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You may think that’s unfair. However think about companies from EU. They have to charge VAT and report VAT. For these companies non-EU seller with 20% lower prices because of VAT is kind of unfair.
Nice point. But I can’t agree. Then, I will not sell to EU end users. It leads to european customers losing opportunities of getting a great service, isn’t that discriminatory? well, yes, but.. since I’m not regulated by EU laws, they cannot enforce me to selI to them, and I can reject thos sales because as a very small biz, I cannot take the burden.

Well my first reaction was: “if you don’t want then don’t sell to EU customers”. Question is who is punished more by this decision. EU customers or you because you lost income.

Unfortunately problem is that there is no way to opt-out selling to some countries on Envato.


BTW… Think of this tax as an opportunity for startups collecting taxes and taking charge of the burden, like taxamo.com is doing, they found how to make some bucks off of this issue and helping businesses to pay taxes efficiently.

Still, I can mention better ways to collect taxes. My country, in example, is collecting taxes for ALL the purchases outside our borders using any credit card. The card entities automagically charge an extra % to all of we using to perform any purchase outside our country. Online merchants dont need to be bothered, even Paypal dont need to be bothered, when you use the credit card, you are automatically paying taxes, in real time! :) This way, you dont need to enforce any merchant outside the country to collect anything like EU VAT is doing. The EU should do it the same way and all this discussion could have been avoided.

If other countries follow this insanity started by EU VAT I only can see cluttered merchant websites slowed down due to scanning geolocation data of one and every customer hitting their carts. It will difficult development, or at least, raise develpment prices, eliminating starting yet poor entrepreneurs and very small startups from the market. I think the EU gov is not clearly nor seriously thinking on those zillion people wanting to start a Business and selling overseas to EU citizens.

That’s my point of view. Best regards.

Problem is that you don’t understand how specific tax is VAT. VAT is tax which is targetted to final private customers and should be neutral to B2B transactions and companies. Anyway there is no point in arguing if VAT is ok or not. We have no other choice than adapt to it or lose sales. EU is not going to abandon VAT :->

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Not to derail the topic at hand, but there has been a question I’ve been wondering about as it relates to VAT that perhaps you all can shed some light on. How can the EU force a non-EU company to charge a tax to EU members? On what authority can they force a company outside of their jurisdiction to collect and remit tax? If this has been addressed somewhere else and you know the link, that would be great…I understand there are other topics being addressed here and don’t want to hijack the thread :)

+1 to this. If I have a company outside the EU, I can’t feel the obligation to charge VAT to EU users. How would the EU enforce me to charge it? How woudl they know who my customers are? Who will come here and tell me “hey, you must pay taxes to us”. It’s insane and proof of politician ineptitude. I won’t charge taxes to my customers because I’m not a company physically hosted and/or with offices within the territory of EU.

If anyone can refer a link to an official resource indicating the opposite, I could maybe consider it. Otherwise, I reject to charge taxes, and other companies outside the EU shoud too as well.

I think that this is 100% off topic. Anyway…

EU is just a huge market with it’s own rules. If you would like to sell there, then you have to respect these rules. It doesn’t matter that you sell something via internet which doesn’t respect borders.

If I would like to open a restaurant in Japan or Australia then I have to pay local taxes and fulfill all local requirements. This is pretty obvious, isn’t it?

Why do you think that selling digital goods is different? If you would like to sell in EU it’s just like opening a shop or restaurant there. If you don’t want to respect EU law – then sell your items elsewhere.

You may think that’s unfair. However think about companies from EU. They have to charge VAT and report VAT. For these companies non-EU seller with 20% lower prices because of VAT is kind of unfair.

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Not really – if you don’t supply digital goods why should you have to register with the MOSS just to get non-VAT prices as a business? It would make more sense for Envato to accept other forms of proof (such as a UTR number).

As I said before – go to your tax advisor and try to find solution. I’m not from UK, however in my country there are solutions to get VAT-EU ID which is valid according to VIES and not to lose your threshold.

In my country there are identifiers simmilar to your UTR called NIP and they are not sufficient to identify as business for EU transactions. There are separate rules which describes VAT-free supplies and purchases and I believe that similar regulations are in UK as well.

VAT is very complicated, international VAT is even more complicated.

Anyway IMHO Envato cannot accept your UTR or other local business ID numbers. They should accept VAT-EU only and it’s your problem if you can avoid VAT or not. In some countries you can register to VAT and not to lose your threshold, in other countries you can demand return of VAT after you purchase…. go to your tax advisor and find information there. But do not demand from Envato to do some exeptions just because you think they should.

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And one point here that is being missed is that this law applies to businesses supplying digital services to private consumers. I AM NOT A PRIVATE CONSUMER, I am a business that is BELOW the threshold for VAT registration in my EU member country. I am not required to pay VAT on transactions outside the EU, it is actually Envato’s decision whether I pay VAT.

I think you are wrong and you should go to your tax advisor to get more details on this topic. AFAIR small companies in EU can register voluntarily to MOSS and get VAT id number and still preserve their VAT threshold on domestic sales.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/revenue-and-customs-brief-46-2014-vat-rule-change-and-the-vat-mini-one-stop-shop-additional-guidance/revenue-and-customs-brief-46-2014-vat-rule-change-and-the-vat-mini-one-stop-shop-additional-guidance#section-3-registration-for-moss-by-businesses-currently-below-the-uk-vat-registration-threshold-81000 So in this way you can identify to Envato as company and purchase items without VAT.
That link is relevant to suppliers.

It’s relevant to BOTH. It’s just a way to get your VAT ID and not to lose your VAT threshold. You register as ‘supplier’ however your supplies are going to be 0/null/nada.

Thing is that you get VAT ID and you can provide this ID to Envato, confirm that you are business customer and get prices without VAT.


I give up. It’s like banging your head off a brick wall. My head is splitting trying to explain the same point! I don’t have time for this. You’ll be glad to hear I’m off.

While you are off, you should go to tax advisor.

Envato is now perfeclty OK in what they are doing. Now it’s your problem to adapt to environment that has changed since 01.01.2015.

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I don’t understand how Apple is relevant here, Envato has one set of global websites with all prices in dollars catering to a global market. Apple is a business to consumer company, it is segmented into regional storefronts and websites with registered offices in the relevent territories.

Apple was just an example. You should just know that it’s not only Envato with higher prices for EU customers.


And one point here that is being missed is that this law applies to businesses supplying digital services to private consumers. I AM NOT A PRIVATE CONSUMER, I am a business that is BELOW the threshold for VAT registration in my EU member country. I am not required to pay VAT on transactions outside the EU, it is actually Envato’s decision whether I pay VAT.

I think you are wrong and you should go to your tax advisor to get more details on this topic. AFAIR small companies in EU can register voluntarily to MOSS and get VAT id number and still preserve their VAT threshold on domestic sales.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/revenue-and-customs-brief-46-2014-vat-rule-change-and-the-vat-mini-one-stop-shop-additional-guidance/revenue-and-customs-brief-46-2014-vat-rule-change-and-the-vat-mini-one-stop-shop-additional-guidance#section-3-registration-for-moss-by-businesses-currently-below-the-uk-vat-registration-threshold-81000

So in this way you can identify to Envato as company and purchase items without VAT.

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One of the main reasons I shop with envato, despite the increasing competition, is price.

There are other factors but an extra 20% on top of WordPress themes will make shopping around more attractive.

Maybe consideration should have been made with splitting the additional tax burden between Envato, Author and Client (1:1:2 ratio for example) would have been fairer.

Yes the VAT is mandatory, but I don’t understand why some narrow minded companies see this as something the client should responsible for. There are other solutions, for example, when one of my US based hosting providers started to add EU VAT they took the hit completely for existing customers.

Maybe Envato has became so big it no longer needs to show any consideration to it’s customers.

Prices on Envato are low. This additional tax is something that should be added to base price as it’s called VAT = Value ADDED Tax. You should not expect that prices are going to be equal for EU customers and non EU customers. VAT should be paid by final customer. Base prices for EU customers should not be reduced to hide VAT.

It’s not something unusual that prices in EU are higher than in USA and people are used to it. Take a look at Apple prices. For them 1 USD = 1 EUR and they still have a lot of customers.

Anyway I got a feature request: Can we have Author Terms in PDF format as a single all in on document?

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There are problems with positioning on FFox 35 and Chrome. Section with “web design”, “branding” on screen size > 768px.

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[...] but you sure do have to support IE9 on the marketplaces.
This will change sooner or later. So why not sooner? :evil:
What’s hard to support IE9? It works perfectly fine, you do not have to do absolutely any adjusting to the theme, or if you do, it shouldn’t take more than an hour to make a theme IE9 compatible.

You can make theme IE9 compatible however it’s not so easy to make theme Material Design compatible on IE9.

As I mentioned before: no css transitions, no css animations.


I am all for forward thinking, but you shouldn’t drop compatibility for a browser just because it’s fun to do so, especially if you don’t have to do anything to make your site compatible with the browser :)
Visit prize sponsor Matt Aussaguel website and see how it’s not IE9 compatible too.
What are you talking about?! That website is compatible even with IE8. You know what compatibility means, don’t know?

I’m talking about this:

http://www.browserstack.com/screenshots/a1fcda702ecef1d7df4b4875e226eb3e5633df1f

See screenshot on IE9 Win7 it’s also buggy on Safari 8 Yosemite and Chrome 36 Mavericks.

You get virtual machine from modern.ie and verify that this website is buggy on IE9/Win7.

On IE8 by default it’s broken too in compatibility mode (default). With IE8 mode it’s pretty ok. However see square action button? No transparency on navbar?

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