Better question is, will buyers ‘work’ during Christmas?
Aren’t you going off-topic with last replies in this thread?
Just to keep all our speeches on a single place. I’d have to paste here my reply from Collis’s one
Anyway, remember money flow people. What matters for financial things is money flow and until we won’t have gross incomes credited on our bank accounts in real-time, we can’t be direct sellers(at least, this is what I and my accountant think)
That’s true, as long as Envato won’t start or be forced to report our incomes, similar to what USA authors are facing. Then we will have a problem if what they tell is not matching our bank accounts.
Envato is just setting the table for authors to start to look for other ways to sell their items. Granted that the new VAT rules are making it hard to sell digital goods anywhere, but this stance of making authors the sellers is an active choice on their part, when they could bite the bullet and do what’s best for their authors by taking responsibility as the seller. It’s a decision that could very well signal the end of their growth. I’m not saying this change will happen overnight, but this decision will almost certainly have an adverse impact on their business going forward. Authors are no longer comfortable with the idea that Envato is all about community and the well-being of its authors. You can’t claim that in your mission statement, and then do the complete opposite by carrying on a blatant lie about the authors being sellers. That’s something that’s not sitting well with me and a (I’d venture to guess) the vast majority of authors here.
It also has short term effects. I’ve been really unmotivated to continue working on updates, new items and being on top of support. I think my next item will be my last.On a brighter note, this does mean I’ve been looking into starting a new business in 2015 Not really web related or anything but exciting nonetheless.
Exactly my thoughts. My plan for 2015 is to find other sources of income, not rely only on Envato. And I already know that this will change a lot of things, for example PhotoDune will take a big hit from that, people on microstock forum already talk that PD is such a small player that they simply won’t bother with it because of the new changes, and many will remove their accounts. Other microstocks do it in ‘proper’ way. This is really sad.
I was using for a long time ‘Microsoft Wireless Optical Mouse Groovy’ (I know..) it was quite awesome, but it broke so I started using some cheap mouse, and then decided to buy Performance MX, I thought it’s so expensive it must be good. At first I really liked it, I have big hands so it was good to have some solid mouse. I had it almost 3 years, but after 2 it started to have problems with scrolling speed (not sure if it’s software or hardware related) and just recently it just stopped moving verticaly, only horizontal works, kinda odd, but the warranty ended, so I bought Logitech m560 and it’s also nice. The big disadvantage of MX is the battery drains quickly, it will work max 2 weeks.
This is why it’s so extremely important to describe relations between Authors and Envato not only according to VAT but generally.
We need to be sure that Authors are content providers and Envato is service provider and seller.And that’s it. This is the only way to keep individual Authors from EU here.
I think most of serious authors from Poland have registered companies (like dzia?alnosc gospodarcza) and ‘bill’ Envato like mpc or krownthemes said in previous posts (and his from Romania if I remember correctly, so I guess more authors from EU do it like that), unless you want to sell here music, I wouldn’t go for being an ‘artist’. There is one interpretation somewhere where US stated that you could pay lower taxes if you are ‘artist’, but they cannot determine that when you’re selling themes, and you’d need to ask for another interpretation in Ministry of Culture. Unfortunately I can’t find it now, but I’ve found this one http://www.epodatnik.pl/interpretacje-podatkowe/wykaz.php?id=23915-2012-11-05-dyrektor-izby-skarbowej-w-lodzi-iptpb1-415-487-12-4-asz which also sheds some light on situation.
And how do you know if you are selling to an EU customer without knowing anything about him?Because i am “selling” to Envato.. This is the only way we can operate a business here. I am not selling digital goods to buyers which i do not know – i am providing IT services to an Australian company called Envato, which pays me a variable salary on the 15th of each month
Exactly, when I was starting few years ago, I described situation to my Accountant, and we consulted it with local IRS, and in conclusion we do it here similar as KrownThemes says.
Has anyone noticed it’s enVATo?
As outlined in the blog post, we’ll begin collecting VAT in early 2015.
The new rules for these services will change on 1 January 2015, so what does it mean early in 2015? For you early might be late March for all we know, what will happen with the sales after 01.01.2015?
Invoices to buyers for items and buyer fees will include author, item and Envato details as appropriate. The VAT for both components will be billed, collected and remitted by Envato.
I’d like to see example of that invoice, will that be available and when?
natman saidWhat’s the estimated time for upcoming release? It’s almost half of December and Christmas are coming, there’s almost no time left. This is ridiculous.
We’ll have more details and examples in an upcoming release. In the meantime, invoices from Envato to the author for author fees will include an itemized listing of fees, any taxes that are inclusive in that fee, and our company details.
We simplified the statements page a little on September 1st when we made changes to create the dual fee structure. Our first statements change will get the gross sale made back on to the statement. Subsequent changes will include links to the invoice, credit note or other documentation for each transaction.
Wait a second, where will be invoice for each sale we made or one big invoice at the end of month with summary of all?
When we will have any official statement from Collis? How are we supposed to deal with that changes when all we get is assumptions and unclear answers.