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snowcake says

This will be a tough match!!! May the better team win! Good luck to both!

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+1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 :D

I am in!!! Great idea doru! I always wondered why Envato didn´t do that right away. The way it is now, feels confusing!

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snowcake says

Haaaaaa….hilarious!!! Thanks for sharing :-)

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snowcake says

Congratz my friend, well deserved and ROCK ON :-)

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To me the problematic is not that people make money by reselling template because it is the object of the game! it’s just that it is imperative that these people act in a transparent and publish a summary of their exact sales (Envato should also ask and require each month for example!) and buy a license for each property sale if it is done in the rule that is good and acceptable… That’s à fair game !

buyers have no responsibility to answer to anyone unless they are caught cheating the system.

the problem with this is it’s the nature of the beast. this site doesn’t sell a finished product. it’s a development product. This isn’t selling something you buy and hang on a wall or display as is, it’s bought to change to suit

I am sorry if I did not get my point across in a proper way, what I meant was the fact that these people only charge $120 for a video customization, so if they would really buy the template over and over again with each new client, the profit they would make for each project would only be $75 ($120 the video customization – $45 for the VH template) That sounds unrealistic to me, I do not believe that buyers with such calculations have serious intentions to really buy our templates for every new client.

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Thanks for sharing your thoughts felt_tips. It still feels not right, especially when these companies pretending to be creative, special, innovative and so on and it´s all based on a 100% videohive portfolio. You know what I mean :-)

I’d like to chime in on this matter.

I am fairly certain I do this much differently than most, but after I explain this I’ll explain why I’m going to be one of those guys you are unhappy with, and hopefully explain why you might not need to be.

I buy templates to generate revenue from paying clients by producing videos for them. Stingers, timelines, slideshows on the rare occasion, etc. But I don’t do it like most people do. I purchase several projects in anticipation of a single sale. I can think of my last sale specifically I ended up purchasing 5 projects. The result was a video that had elements from 3 of them. So I wasted two completely. But I don’t charge $120.00 either. I don’t have a set price. I bill on hours.

Now, I am able to do this because I’m not selling retail. But I’ll get to that, and more directly your concern in a little bit.

Mostly, my clients are existing customers. I own a design and development studio. I started doing web work in 1996. So over the years my company has built a fairly solid client base (while still staying small and manageable) of enterprise clients. Most of them have been with us for years. They sometimes ask for videos. But I don’t generally go find one project to meet their needs. In fact, I usually work by taking a list of requirements. I sift through hundreds of projects researching what I’m looking for. I do this so often I swear it feels like I know the videohive library by heart.

I usually end up building a collection in my account (a private one) with a list of projects that cumulative have the effects and styles I need to meet the needs of the client. But along with that, I might have several projects bookmarked that all have different techniques to meet one requirement. Many times I end up with 12 to 15 projects bookmarked.

I drill down over a few days and reduce that list more and more until I have a set list that I think I can purchase that will meet the needs for what I have. More often than not I end up with 4 to 6 projects for one billable project I can sell.

I combine the effects, or sometimes just look at how the author did something so I can reproduce a similar result.

When it’s all said and done I build out anywhere from 3 to 5 examples to show my client. Generally I have a few changes to make, but end up building out a final within a couple days from that collaboration of projects.

I might spend 20 hours between research, testing, and actually working on a clilp (not including render time). So my final price has to be much higher than the sum of the projects I use. At our bill rate we’d lose a fortune if I spent that much time and sold cheap. Mine usually end up at least $500 and most times more.

The unique thing? I buy the templates. ALL of them. So if I buy 6 templates, I might only use 3 of them, and of those 3 I might only really use 1, but use what I learned from the others, or bring effects over to make that final.

What is the problem? I’m assuming the authors of the projects are fine. They end up selling a lot more projects to me than I use. The problem? While I generate revenue because I actually bill the same rate as I do for general web development. But I’m very selective about what hours I bill for too. I don’t bill for testing, researching, etc. I only bill for the actual final work, and that is a much lower number.

This leaves me with a tremendous amount of unused projects that I’ve paid for a license. It’s not a problem because I ended up making more than I spent of course. But it always seemed like a waste of money. I looked just now and I purchased 49 projects last month. Which is up slightly from my normal month, but I believe I average around $500+ right now (videohive isn’t the only place I purchase from, but those 49 I mention are all at Envato).

I have since decided that I’m going to recoup more of what I spent. How? I’m taking those unused projects (to me a project license is burned if I use any of the effects from it, or all of it. So even if I just copy an effect or something out of one, I burn it. I’m left with a very large number of completely unused projects. So for the last month I have been editing those. I put my logo in them, and render them out.

I’m building a new site that will focus on retail, and will touch on what you are upset about. My guess is I’ll charge anywhere from $200 to $250 to take a project as is, and customize it for the client. That does not include the cost of the template. They will be sent here to buy using a referral link.

Why would I render my own logos and do it all on my site? Primarily because it seems every time I’ve sent a client here, they either get inundated with projects they like, or it really confuses the whole original idea, and ends up taking a tremendous amount of time to go from start to finish. So I will keep those customers on my site, watching the videos I rendered, that I paid for, then send them here to buy when they sign up. So in reality if I use a project I bought from you, you’ll get paid twice for it.

I think what you seem to be upset about is two things. 1. Someone charging $120 to edit a template, and 2. It sounds like you are concerned that they are circumventing the license and possibly selling a project over and over.

Number 1 is really no reason to be mad. You could sell your projects for that too. But you don’t. you create them, upload them and sell them here right? You don’t have to take the time to deal with every customer you sell to. You don’t have to field complaints about things they don’t like, or change things in the project, listen to them proclaim how much they know exactly what they want, then hate it when they get it.

But the point is, your concern is missing the point that you are selling wholesale at VideoHive and the person you’re talking about is selling retail. And personally I think he’s too cheap and I certainly won’t be selling that low.

Number 2 I don’t know how this could ever been overcome. there are always going to be lowlives that steal work. I’m not sure how you could stop that since they have the actual project

The reality is it’s not much different than a person that builds anything. He sells it to a wholesaler or distributor who turns around, raises the price and sells it to a retail shop. Then they turn around, raise the price and sell It to the public. Is that wrong? Well for one they all have hard and soft costs, plus they aren’t in business to break even. So sure they’re going to mark them up. ALong these same lines, many companies rebrand products. I don’t see a difference.

There really isn’t anything to get mad at. If you don’t like that someone is taking projects you create and turning around and selling them again, maybe you should consider doing the same thing. It’d be a great secondary revenue stream. But I don’t think the concept is wrong. It’s wrong if the person/business tries to lay claim to the WORK itself. But even then, he owns a license, he’s within his rights to do that.

So while I get your point, I do understand the reasoning behind it. I’ve got over 140 projects I am planning on editing and rendering that won’t say anything but my company on them.. Then clients will use a referral link at the very end to come to vh and buy. Why? Because like I said, I have had times where I literally lost clients because they get inundated with projects they like it completely clouds their mind and throws them off the direction they had. So to maintain focus and control, I show them only the videos I think will meet their requirements. And it saves me an enormous amount of time in discussing hundreds of projects and explaining why some won’t work, why it would cost a fortune to purchase this one that will end taking me 10 hours longer to edit than this other one etc etc

Wow, thanks for your detailed thoughts on this! I really appreciate it and thank you for that.

I do believe that most buyers are playing by the rules and for that we as authors are grateful! There are always two sides of a story and if we had more transparency in our sales, so that we were able to see who is buying the projects we could clearly see the “good ones” as well.

I do know that dealing with digital goods is a complicated subject and I agree with what Protest said: “A lot of people do this simply because they are ignorant enough to not read the license faq or just think they are outsmarting the system we have.”

I was just hoping Envato could give us for more transparency concerning sales/buyers in the future.

About the $120 they demand for the resell. You know, I personally do not care how much they finally charge for their work. But the unrealistic price they offer, makes me wonder if they`ll really buy the template for more than only one time. Cause if you are doing some serious business you need to calculate in a realistic way, that still is a fact that is bothering me :-)

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Thanks for sharing your thoughts felt_tips. It still feels not right, especially when these companies pretending to be creative, special, innovative and so on and it´s all based on a 100% videohive portfolio. You know what I mean :-)

That is basically what VideoHive is right? A place for people to buy templates and use them to create videos for themselves and other clients. It is an easy and quick solution for people with small budgets. I’ve done these in the past but I always propose to the client that I’m using a template and the client often agrees since the production will cost much less. I will never claim that something is my own, when I’m working based off a template.. that just doesn’t feel right and doesn’t seem fair towards the customer.

When customers use template-based videos from VH and claim they’ve done all the creative parts themselves then that is just a loss for them. People with an attitude like this will never get successful nor get past a certain level of mediocracy. That is their choice. But other than that, when you are open and transparent about the use of templates to your clients I don’t see the problem.

I’ve seen people done it before, “bragging” with their so called “creativity” while all they do is change some text and colors from an existing template inside AE. I have actually reported one such website to Envato Support some time ago, and support told me that they could see no harm in what this website was doing as long as the site was purchasing licenses for each project. So it might be legally possible, but on an ethical level it’s not ok.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts motionvids. I totally agree with you and let´s hope that people, especially those who act as “mass seller” who claims that “creativity” is their second nature, will not be sucessful in the long run. It is just a sad thing that Envato Support see no harm in such things. But maybe that is something we all have to deal with when selling digital goods. I don´t know…

We are living in a changing world, where the definition of creativity is changing radically. We live in a consumer society where we are promised everything. That includes being creative. Now everyone can be creative.

< advert voice > For a one off fee you too can be creative! No effort, no talent required. < /advert voice >

Nowadays, you can purchase creativity like you can purchase wallpaper. :-)

I’m being flippant, but forget about the credits. When you enter into the world of Videohive you enter into this brave new world.

At the end of the day, you and I both know that starting with nothing and coming up with something that’s original and comes from inside you is worlds away from buying a template and changing the background colour… regardless of what it says on your CV.

+1 Very well spoken felt_tips!

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Thanks for sharing your thoughts felt_tips. It still feels not right, especially when these companies pretending to be creative, special, innovative and so on and it´s all based on a 100% videohive portfolio. You know what I mean :-)

That is basically what VideoHive is right? A place for people to buy templates and use them to create videos for themselves and other clients. It is an easy and quick solution for people with small budgets. I’ve done these in the past but I always propose to the client that I’m using a template and the client often agrees since the production will cost much less. I will never claim that something is my own, when I’m working based off a template.. that just doesn’t feel right and doesn’t seem fair towards the customer.

When customers use template-based videos from VH and claim they’ve done all the creative parts themselves then that is just a loss for them. People with an attitude like this will never get successful nor get past a certain level of mediocracy. That is their choice. But other than that, when you are open and transparent about the use of templates to your clients I don’t see the problem.

I’ve seen people done it before, “bragging” with their so called “creativity” while all they do is change some text and colors from an existing template inside AE. I have actually reported one such website to Envato Support some time ago, and support told me that they could see no harm in what this website was doing as long as the site was purchasing licenses for each project. So it might be legally possible, but on an ethical level it’s not ok.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts motionvids. I totally agree with you and let´s hope that people, especially those who act as “mass seller” who claims that “creativity” is their second nature, will not be sucessful in the long run. It is just a sad thing that Envato Support see no harm in such things. But maybe that is something we all have to deal with when selling digital goods. I don´t know…

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Thanks for sharing your thoughts felt_tips. It still feels not right, especially when these companies pretending to be creative, special, innovative and so on and it´s all based on a 100% videohive portfolio. You know what I mean :-)

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snowcake says

The following happened.

Lately I found several companies that are pretending to be “creative and innovative” offering videos to buyers and guess what, all the great videos that those companies are offering come from Videohive.

I wrote several copyright complains to that companies and the only feedback I got from them is that everything is just fine, because they keep telling me that with every new client, they would buy a new template/license. And the really funny thing is that one of these companies are selling videos for $120 (including customization), so now they are telling me that they are buying new templates with every new client. That would mean they earn about $75, come on be serious! This is ridiculous and unlikely!

Anyway what can we authors do about it? Nothing?

How are we able to control such things? I mean first of all are those “mass seller” companies are allowed to resell videos and let the buyers believe that they have created the original video templates? Is that legally allowed?

For resellers wouldn´t it be a “MUST THING”, that they officially need to give away their source on the webpage where they sell the stuff, in that case the original Videohive Links? You know I would never harm any customer for the normal buy and sell business, that what Videohive is for, but these “mass seller”?

• Wouldn´t it be good to give authors more transparency who the buyers really are? By that, one could easily check if “mass – seller” companies really have bought several templates.

• If companies become “mass-seller” would´t it be a MUST thing to have them name their source on the website where they are selling the videos?

I would like to hear your thoughts, from authors and from the staff as well about these matters.

Thanks a lot for your time. (Sorry if I sound a bit frustrated)

Regards Snow

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