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starshade says


We know the new designs are not to everyone’s taste, but we also know design is highly subjective and it’s impossible to make something everyone loves.

While maybe there were people who didn’t liked the old badges, I don’t remember a thread with 54 pages of mostly negative feedback about them. That proves a consensus is possible


Again, we know there’s room for improvement, but we are also really proud of what we achieved and love the new look.

first rule of design is to not get in love with your creations and be critical about it. I’m not joking. Is true, this rule exist.


With time, we hope you will too.
will not happen

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Doru, they know this very well anyway, but from their attitude results that they consider themselves too big now which implies being too full of themselves to even admit that they ever messed up anything.

Sooner or later this will cool down and we will move on but implying that one day the majority of grown ups authors and buyers will like these cartoonish graphics is illusional.

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starshade says

Stop wasting time everybody. Their reply tells everything: they will not change them(any time soon) and the opinions expressed here mean NOTHING to Envato.

Now they sit back and wait for all this to cool down and everybody will forget or not care anymore about it (“With time, we hope you will too.” says it all).

Q: Why did they make a survey and asked for feedback ?

A: So that we the community have the illusion that we are listened and Envato cares about our opinion. “We always have the interests of the community in mind” sounds so nice, isn’t it ?

Also the so called reason why the icons won’t be adjusted is ridiculous at best:

“We know the new designs are not to everyone’s taste, but we also know design is highly subjective and it’s impossible to make something everyone loves”.

Highly subjective lol. When such a high number of people provided a more than 90% negative feedback, it’s really starting to not be subjective anymore, so please Envato stop being so ridiculous in negating the reality. But maybe you’re living in a world of fantasy ?

And at last, the conclusion: there is an old saying in the areas where I live. It’s a rather sarcastic one but it fits so well with Envato corporate attitude nowadays:

The dogs bark but the caravan is moving.

PS: And I saw the same attitude in the mandatory support requirement thread(s). Now it’s the part when you’re playing the good guys: everybody calm down, bla bla, timeout, let’s make surveys, get more feedback, bla bla… But at least I already know how one will end too.

Cheers!

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starshade says


not a woman? why?
nothing personal, in most cases they create childish, cute, rounded, delicate, soft, detailed design that not suit our case I think

While there is some truth to this statement, it can’t be generalized. My opinion is that Envato messed up big time by asking the wrong person to redesign the badges. I took the time and read the “Meet the Staff: LoungeKat” from Envato blog and after finishing reading and looking at her works, my conclusion is that LoungeKat is a (very talented) graphic artist, that doesn’t have too much in common with websites design and usability. Envato should have tasked an UI designer to create some flat, pixel perfect badges and of course, stay away from SVG.

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starshade says

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starshade says

ImanGM, this is not the case of someone’s taste differes from other’s taste. Look at the following badges, this looks like not even tested in the 32×32 size:

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These ones are the real thing. Top of the top I would say. The large one looks decent(for a 3 years old kid) however it’s smaller version – 32×32(or whatever) looks like someone with a broken neck. Pretty cool!

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No offense, but I think it’s clear to everyone that the designer(s) designed these badges had no idea of what exactly icon design is and new trends are (e.g.: flat design). It’s also clear that Envato won’t restore the previous system (hope I’m wrong, but I think they won’t never admit their efforts on this enhancement were unproductive), even if the survey said “90% against”, no matter how good and reasonable are the reasons we adduce.

I kind of disagree with the first part(“had no idea of what exactly icon design is”).

I have been vocal and critic of the icon changes, however after looking at the icons in their natural size I think they are very well made… for 3-10 years old kids.

Seriously, these icons are perfect for inclusion in a kid’s book or something, they are funny, cartoonish and the young ones will definitely love them.

However with them resized so small for Envato marketplaces and forums they are terrible. Way too many details to fit in 32×32px.

And the most important issue comes now:

Who are your visitors of this marketplace ?

3 to 10 years old kids ? I would say no, it’s mostly adults looking to grow their online business. Again, we are talking about business here, not kids’ books.

Conclusion: good product(in it’s initial non resized form) designed for the wrong audience.

What is more terrible now is the designer’s replies here that suggest that she didn’t understand anything from 31 pages of discussions by replying with questions like the “icons are too big because they are bigger than the old ones ?” or explaining how great SVG is. Yes SVG is great but only when it’s used for the right product and unfortunately this is a good example for great technology used for the wrong end product(32×32 icons with too many details).

And on top if it, a big thumbs DOWN goes to Collis for accepting these…

Finally, if I would be a part of Envato leadership and have the right to decide about the design direction of Envato markets I would immediately take these off, put the old ones back into their place and add all these new ones to the asset library so that authors will have the chance to put them to good use in some nice templates and wordpress themes.

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starshade says

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^ Something like this would have been better (Our humble opinion – we are not masters of illustration). Also with colors differentiating the status (keeping the badges clean) along with tool tip info description.

Or else, simply the older one should be back. In all cases, the new badges are not professional :(

Simple, clean, brilliant! They are maybe a bit behind the old ones, but head and shoulders above the current ones!

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starshade says

I agree with most of the things said here. The paws are way too big and don’t look professional, not to mention that they are way too cartoonish. Also being so huge they take away the focus from each author identity(avatar) that is posting here on the forums. Now the whole forum looks like 3rd rate downgraded website for kids.

The old ones were simply perfect: high contract, crystal clear, perfect size and simply TIMELESS – a big part of Envato Identity.

Please Envato come with your feet on the ground and stop downgrading your network. First we had the progress bar removed, now this along with the new trending feature working on the principle “the rich get richer, the poor stays poor”.

Disappointed.

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I don’t understand why they don’t update us on this.
Haven’t forgotten you :) We’ll announce it on the forums etc. when Phase 2 officially launches.
At least tell us if it will be in effect this year or not. Many authors, me included are currently working on new themes and it’s very important for us to know more about this.
To be honest, it’s not possible to put a firm date on it yet. It may still launch this year, but we can’t be exact on the date yet. Thanks!

Ok, I understand. Thanks and I will keep an eye here :)

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I don’t understand why they don’t update us on this.
Haven’t forgotten you :) We’ll announce it on the forums etc. when Phase 2 officially launches.

At least tell us if it will be in effect this year or not. Many authors, me included are currently working on new themes and it’s very important for us to know more about this.

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