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temagami
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Good points but how do I go about finding one of those pages I was referring to? No one seems to make them. People seem to want sales but creating pages for small businesses- trades don’t exist.



That seems like a great idea as well. If the designer found the royalty free images – even better.

All I know is that I can go to Template monster and type in “Plumber” and 33 templates come up. Yes, they are more expensive but not insane. But other trades don’t pop up on Template Monster – So again, what other site out there offers what we’ve been talking about? I haven’t seen any….

Seems like an untapped market for a designer out there.
I saw your discussion and agree that users need designs/templates that are easy to use. But everything comes at a price: regarding the use of (non paid) images. Getty is tough (my experience for a client) but you can always make a (cheap) deal. Anyways, investing in good pictures is worth it, and can make a difference. And maybe there’s a big market of people/small businesses that think a good website isn’t within reach. Maybe the opportunity is there: how to reach those people. Envato is (in my opinion) trying hard in that direction.
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temagami
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That seems like a great idea as well. If the designer found the royalty free images – even better.

All I know is that I can go to Template monster and type in “Plumber” and 33 templates come up. Yes, they are more expensive but not insane. But other trades don’t pop up on Template Monster – So again, what other site out there offers what we’ve been talking about? I haven’t seen any….

Seems like an untapped market for a designer out there.

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temagami
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You make a good point. But remember, people are gun shy about images; so images would need to be included. With Getty images suing people left, right and centre over illegal use. I know people who have pulled images off of Google images and it turns out they’re from Getty from 8 years ago. They got a letter charging them $2000 and a threat of lawsuit. So if you come up with good, legal stock images, they won’t even change them

Furthermore, your point about the template is also accurate, but If you come up with a cool template then simply change the images, the menu, the header etc and then you can sell it as an electrician template. Then you floods the SAME template with the details for a plumber, and sell it as a plumber template. Then flood it for a courier delivery (tons of those out there as well) etc….now, you have the corner on the market. So you’d get your 10 sales for EACH of the trades you make. Remember, these guys are not buying templates to sell – they just want one up quick and dirty and then forget it.



Interesting read here…. I’m not an author but rather a purchaser. I buy the occasional site and set up a page for a friend or a small business. Nothing big – favours. BUT I know many people who want websites and I can’t find specific themes.

I think many developers are thinking of BIG pages that cross over into many categories. The problem with that is the average person using Dreamweaver can’t edit the site without knowing a ton of code – and really, that’s all we want.

For example, a friend of mine is an electrician. He gave me some cable, so I’d like to make him a site – but if I type in “Electrician” into a theme html search = nothing. The same holds true for plumber. mason, flooring installer, welder…. etc. etc. (I only see one page for a hair salon – these businesses open and close every 6 months)

Take a look at the trades!! All these guys need sites and don’t have time to source it out. All they want is a presence online – decent contact form, a slider – MAYBE 4-5 pages total. Something that is simple to edit on Expressions or dreamweaver; and will look good on a phone or tablet as well as a computer. Once it’s up they won’t touch it for years. (Oh ya… the one page slider designs are a pain in the ass for many tablets)

If you guys wants sales, consider specializing.

If anyone has an electrician template laying around. Let me know! ;-)

Doug

You’ve got to think though… what is it that’s going to make it an electrician template as opposed to a bricklayers template or a hairdressers template or a caterers template? Unless I’m mistaken, it would just be the images, which probably aren’t included anyway. I can’t think of any specific functionality an electricians template would have to have to make it usable.

That’s why a lot of the authors are focussing on one size fits all. They make a generic template and with the addition of some choice images, it’s suddenly an electricians template or a butchers template or a photographers template. Some people can’t see beyond the title and the images though… so if they did it the other way around and published it as an electricians template, then it’s unlikely that people would buy it unless it’s for an electricians site.

Sure, they would corner the market in the electrician sales department, but if it worth spending one, two, three months creating it if there’s only 10 sales a year, rather than 1000 sales for a more generic one? Maybe a generic tradespersons template could work… generic enough to cover multiple trades but still the benefit of being a relatively niche product.

Anyway, that’s the way I see it.
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temagami
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I buy based on support and design and WYSWYG

I want a template that is easy to edit. I purchased a site that had dozens of nested tables and locked sections which I couldn’t edit properly.

I like to use a program like Microsoft Expressions – or dreamweaver; so WYSWYG is REALLY important to me.

The point of purchasing a template is to save time – if I have to rip it all apart, then I may as well have started from scratch. Or, e-mail someone in India and they make the whole site for a fraction of the cost.

I was mentioning in another thread that I think a lot of designers have tried to cross over into many categories but the key is to specialize. For example in an html search I can’t find a site template for an electrician, or plumber, HVAC, Mason etc. Here in Canada people are setting up their businesses and need sites, but no one is catering to them – trades are huge. However, designers seem to love to post Architecture and photography templates. Ha!

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temagami
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Interesting read here…. I’m not an author but rather a purchaser. I buy the occasional site and set up a page for a friend or a small business. Nothing big – favours. BUT I know many people who want websites and I can’t find specific themes.

I think many developers are thinking of BIG pages that cross over into many categories. The problem with that is the average person using Dreamweaver can’t edit the site without knowing a ton of code – and really, that’s all we want.

For example, a friend of mine is an electrician. He gave me some cable, so I’d like to make him a site – but if I type in “Electrician” into a theme html search = nothing. The same holds true for plumber. mason, flooring installer, welder…. etc. etc. (I only see one page for a hair salon – these businesses open and close every 6 months)

Take a look at the trades!! All these guys need sites and don’t have time to source it out. All they want is a presence online – decent contact form, a slider – MAYBE 4-5 pages total. Something that is simple to edit on Expressions or dreamweaver; and will look good on a phone or tablet as well as a computer. Once it’s up they won’t touch it for years. (Oh ya… the one page slider designs are a pain in the ass for many tablets)

If you guys wants sales, consider specializing.

If anyone has an electrician template laying around. Let me know! ;-)

Doug

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Same thing happened to me. I did not receive any notice; and, I have a problem with this expiration system. It is not costing envato any time or money to keep a deposit active. In fact, they have the money even before it’s spent – therefore they are making interest off it. If you don’t spend it in a given amount of time they take it? (I bet this is hidden somewhere in the fine print, but I find this really shady and disappointing)

I only lost $19 but I’ve been a customer since 2009 and have purchased numerous templates; I teach graphic design and am the webmaster for a teachers union. I have always directed my students and marketing agents with the union to graphic river and themeforest. If they don’t refund my $19 this practise will stop.

I just dropped $2000 on a union desktop and another $750 on adobe cs 6 – when we need to buy something we simply buy it. I was logging on to buy something else, only to discover I had forfeited my deposit 3 weeks ago. This is simply unacceptable – yes it’s only $19 but if this is how we’re treated as customers. Then I (and everyone I know) will no longer be a customer.

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There are numerous style sheets – how do I attach them all?

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temagami
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Anyone with any ideas? Did I put this thread in the wrong area?

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temagami
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I was talking about this once before but I don’t think I was very clear (sorry). I am working on a site which I would like to be as WYSIWYG as possible (I may not be the editor down the road).

Here’s a page of the site: http://www.martialartstournaments.ca/union/healthandsafety.html When I edit it in Kompozer it looks like: http://www.martialartstournaments.ca/union/site%20kompozer.jpg When I edit it in Dreamweaver it looks like: http://www.martialartstournaments.ca/union/site%20dreamweaver.jpg

How can I get Dreamweaver to look closer to the ‘real deal’? Closer to Kompozer? The other person who may be editing the site uses Dreamweaver and she doesn’t want to switch.

PS I bought the template from Themeforest and the author was no help.

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temagami
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Also, Whomever wishes to edit the site after I’m gone may add and remove whole sections of the site so wordpress may not be the solution. Anyhow, I’ve had some people email me all wanting to build a CMS website – All I want is it to look decent in Dreamweaver. At present it looks like this:

http://osstfd20.ca/images/site.jpg

I also tried Microsoft Web Expression 4 – no dice

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