Posts by thepainterman

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thepainterman
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Hi IsotopeThemes, thank you for the offer, I’m away at the moment but I will contact you on monday. Oddly if I post first without a feature image it seems to keep content then I just add the feature image, I agree very odd but as it is happening on 2 different themes one is live (which I will show you) and one in a local environment it doesn’t look like a theme issue I actually thought the latest version of wordpress what messed up.

Anyway I’ll be in touch on monday and very much appreciate your input.

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I hadn’t used wordpress in sometime but I was asked to do a site about 3 months ago. It was a blog, The permalink structure is /% postname%/ anyway I would create the posts and when I clicked on the view post link only the featureimage would show, no content, if I manually changed the permalink and saved the content shows, a pain to say the least as the page titles are obviously named for their purpose. I have now bought another theme for another site and the exact same thing is happening.

I am running the lastest version of wordpress, although the first site has a lot of plugins which I was told be a conflict, though surely this shouldn’t affect the posts ability to keep it’s original name, this second site is only running plug ins required by the theme itself.

Has anyone come across this and got any ideas or this a flaw with wordpress, I’d love some help, btw the 2 themes are the best sellers and it happens in both, One is live, the other I am building up on a local host… HELP !

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Ok, you’re all authors right, so of course you want more, as a buyer I willl obviously want to buy cheaper. If I see am iem that has say 15 sales I am more likely to check it out compared to one with no sales. With the vat increase of course people are more likely to buy with a discount.

Now those saying an item is too cheap etc, you’re here to bulk sell,it is not like you’ve made it for one person. I don’t disagree with the price, I disagree with the vat, if you discount say 20% to cover the vat I’ll bet, as long as the item is good, you will still make more money than you would have selling full price. Ideally you want a badge or something on the general list of items to draw peoples attention. As it is time limited, if a enough people do it, then people will visit regularly to see what is one offer and people make impulse buys, they may buy something not necessarily on offer but as they are in buying mode, there is a chance.

Envato should discuss a vat free week or something, possibly split the 20% between the author and envato. I know envato are tight but it’s better to get people to bulk buy for what is vat free at the time than not buy.

I think it’s good idea, some authors won’t, it should be an option fo those who wish to use it. Some authors in certain countries will do it because in their economy they are still making very good money. Those in more affluent countries will not agree or use it because their economy is different. Having the option there covers everyone, use it, don’t use it, it would be up to theh individual or company.

I work in marketing, the offers you see are to get on site or instore where there is a good chance you will buy more than just the item on offer. This is no different, even those not taking part will likely see a nudge in sales.

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I have a ltd company in the UK , I would assume the ltd company registration cert would be more than sufficient as it is accepted by banks that you have a business and a bank has far more authority than envato. If you are in the UK you wish to consider being LIMITED company, If envato don’t accept that as being a legitimate business, they are at it. Any form of tax correspondence with a business name would also be acceptable.

Again had any thought been put into this, at the beginning of the year envato could have said you have 3 months to provide us with proof of trading. No such luck, looks to me like they want everyone to do the work and then email their “vat” email so they only need to verify rather than find out information.

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@MigC Regarding a period of subsidation: This new EU ruling was actually in effect since 1st of January, Envato have subsidised this VAT burden in it’s whole for the past 2 and a half months, which is pretty decent of them I’d say :)

Can’t argue with that, that is a very good point that I had completely missed.

@MigC & @DOGMotion Regarding VAT added to your items & or, VAT added to your purchases: this new ‘micro’ VAT actually comes from a new EU ruling that any digital product bought by an individual from a country in the EU must have that countries VAT ruling applied to the purchase, is it annoying? Yes of course. Are Envato doing anything wrong? No, they’re just following the new rules as set out by the EU courts.

My opinion, and I respectfully admit we do not agree here, is that Envato could do more by allowing businesses to prove their EU business status without a VAT number and with suitable proof (tax documents, company website, commercial documents).

This is relevant because of the fact that I and many others will be paying a tax that legally does not apply to them . For example, EU freelancers under the VAT threshold are not required to pay VAT on these transactions, it is at entirely Envato’s discretion.

Official Source: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/vat-supplying-digital-services-to-private-consumers/vat-businesses-supplying-digital-services-to-private-consumers#determining-whether-the-customer-is-in-business-a-taxable-person-or-is-a-private-consumer

Thats’s a good find, indeed envato will need to rework their vat for each country, if indeed freelancers are not required to pay vat if they are under the threshold then it makes a clear case for the fact VAT should not automatically be added to every sale. Also if they are over the threshold, they will have vat number anyway. Envato have just taken a blanket approach, the easy way out. Odd enough when prices went up, they went up around 20%, I wonder why, maybe to cover the vat til they tried to find a solution ?

Instead of putting thought into it, what envato have done is said to themselves, we can’t be bothered working a system based on each countries thresholds, we’ll hit every sale with vat, it makes it easier. In the UK the vat threshold is something over 70k, each country is different, this is the part envato can’t be bothered with,

Once sales take a real hit, we’ll see if they start to use a real system.

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As for collecting VAT on items from non EU residents not sure that falls under MOSS or should even be allowed. Hopefully authors post their website urls in their profiles and I will buy direct and bypass envato and save 20%. It will be interesting to see how sales go, but given the fact zero noice has been given, I expect a drop in sales across the board.

Notice was given from last year.. In the last months they created a lot of blog posts about this.

And about extra VAT for EU authors, all stores are doing it. Haven’t you ever purchased something online? Just try to purchase WinZip for example.. You’ll have to pay the price + VAT based on your country. I pay VAT on almost all of my digital purchases outside Envato (hosting, applications, services, etc.).

I see my point has gone right over your head, I MEANT the actual date of implementation e.g instead of just doing add the code for vat to the checkout, they could have said on the 17th of March your countries vat rate will be added to your purchase, not hard is it, I admit it does require some common sense. As regards to hosting etc you’re right however in all cases I had advanced notice and paid several things well in advance to lock in the savings, I would have done that here as well.

To highlight my point, I am seeing people above, who would have bought the avada wordpress theme, as an example, now re considering, had they had notice (banner at top of site a week before implementation, for example, pre warning of the impending changes) I’m confident these people would have purchased based on the fact the cost to them was going to rise.

I realize envato had to add vat, that isn’t my issue, it’s the fact overnight the just sprung it on the site, if they knew a week ago, why not announce it ? They will be liable for vat since the 1st Jan anyway. As for adding vat to non eu authors files, I am not getting that.

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Very poorly planned. I would have thought some notice would have at least pre warned those affected and would no doubt have resulted in additional sales during this period. To just implement it overnight makes no sense at all.

I would have personally bought more items, now I will be more selective given the items will cost 20% more. Had envato put any thought into it they would have announced a date and given people the opportunity to save money.

I can only speak on a personally basis as someone who is affected, registering for VAT is something I want to avoid as I would then need to charge VAT on my prices. It is a good time to make friends with people in countries outside the US have them buy the item (and repay them) and send it to you along with the purchase code.

Anyway poorly handled envato.

As for collecting VAT on items from non EU residents not sure that falls under MOSS or should even be allowed. Hopefully authors post their website urls in their profiles and I will buy direct and bypass envato and save 20%. It will be interesting to see how sales go, but given the fact zero noice has been given, I expect a drop in sales across the board.

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I’d imagine envato will handle this for one major reason, if you sell direct you get the customers contact info, which means you can direct market to them and cut envato out.

It’s a rip off tax, I am also gobsmacked envato are not pushing pre vat sales with some kind of promotion. I’m a buyer and have noticed sales slide, 20% on top is a big hit for buyer. The price hike during a recession looks to have already hit sales, then this, yet envato are painfully slow at decent promotions.

I am not saying the items are not value for money, I am saying in a competitive market price matters. I cannot see how envato or anyone else is liable for pre 2015 sales btw.

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If it is wordpress surely something should be done if it is wordpress, it’ll basically be useless after an update or 2. Envato’s refund policy seems to be you download, no refund. Hopefully common sense prevails for a theme with no support or updates. Given he has taken so long (I assume) to install, he hasn’t actually used the theme before now.

I’d be all over your new theme thread if , when you openly admit the theme was bad, you leave the customers high and dry with no support.

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Gotta laugh at the authors clambering to get their theme of the list for fear of it affecting sales and not worrying about their customers who maybe don’t update often and would be unware of any issues , if it were not for the full list, that they are affected. They’d be the kind of authors I’d avoid.

It seems envato were more than a bit slow off the mark with this to say the least. Then the fact if the plugins are bundled the theme creator is responsible just adds even more confusion and delay to the issue.

If you have a good host, they will fix issues like this for you, I have been hacked before, a reason why I far prefer html, and hostgator cleaned it up without me even being aware I had been hacked. When a site is making you money you don’t need the hassle of constantly having to update. If you host other sites on the same hosting plan the hackers have full access to those as well so make sure you check all your sites.

I did get 2 emails from envato the other day but given this was fixed months ago I’d say alot of people are gonna be having issues. Hackers send out bots to seek sites with the vunerable version installed.

Longer term themes either come with no plugins or a licence for supplied plugins so they are made aware of any issues far faster. Wordpress is easier to use than html for most people but it comes with a price.

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