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pezflash says

I think is the perfect moment to give WooThemes a warm welcome to TF. :D

Just joking. I feel sorry you guys have been involved in this internal and such complex discussion.

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x4er0 says

This is joke right? I mean reselling by buyers…

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jremick Envato team says


@Robvenom Yay, Melbourne dweller! :) You can apply for the GraphicRiver team here. :)
Is their any positions for CodeCanyon Reviewers? or ThemeForrest.

If I answer that, it could take this thread off-topic, so if you could get in touch with me via my profile contact page I’d be happy to fill you in. :)

Thanks!

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rvision_ says


After reading the whole thread i have to say I have never seen a better example for the saying: “the way to hell is paved with good intentions”. Lets recap:

What Envato wanted to do:

  • Offer Authors the possibility to sell their themes under 100% GPL. Makes GPL Advocates and Matt Mullenweg happy. Authors can now finally speak again at WordCamps: http://wpdaily.co/org-envato/
  • Draw some attention to the fact that 100% GPL is supported now by inviting WooThemes to the marketplace
  • Grow the marketplace by adding the Woo Theme Library.

In theory that sounds all good. How it tuned out:

  • Neither a lot of authors nor customers care about or understand the 100% GPL. Lots of confusion.
  • Authors are unhappy because:
    1. there is a new big direct competitor who gets a better deal out of this than any of the authors sticking to the marketplaces for the last years
    2. this competitor gets 30 themes approved that should not have been approved for reasons already mentioned
  • WooThemes is unhappy because:
    1. They get bashed big time by half of the forum. Hardly a nice welcome.
    2. They dont sell very much on themeforest although receiveing a lot of attention. So lots of extra work with submitting themes, integrating envato api into their forum registration etc, and no extra income?
  • Envato is unhappy because:
    1. They made their authors unhapy and now have to deal with a bazillion forum threads were everyone is complaining
    2. 100% GPL was supposed to be a great deal, but is hardly acknowledged because of the introduction-fiasco of WooThemes
    3. WooThemes with their 30 Themes doesnt make any money for them. Either because customers dont like the themes (indication that the review preocess was indeed “slopy”) or because all of the sales are happening directly at the WooThemes website. Whatever the case might be, it doesnt help envato grow.

Did I miss anything? Seems like a classic lose/lose/lose situation :P

By the way I am not really thrilled either by the fact that someone who abandoned the marketplace a few years back now gets a better deal than the authors who stayed and helped growing it. I can see that its sometimes necessary to bend or break the rules but I simply dont see why this is the case here.

This pretty much sums up the debacle going on.

Kriesi nailed it.


This is joke right? I mean reselling by buyers…

Nope.

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iHelp says

Damn that Woo incident is one interesting situation! I feel like reading a crime thriller…

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ChunkStudio says

This is joke right? I mean reselling by buyers…
From wikipedia GPL page
The terms and conditions of the GPL must be made available to anybody receiving a copy of the work that has a GPL applied to it (“the licensee”). Any licensee who adheres to the terms and conditions is given permission to modify the work, as well as to copy and redistribute the work or any derivative version. The licensee is allowed to charge a fee for this service, or do this free of charge. This latter point distinguishes the GPL from software licenses that prohibit commercial redistribution. The FSF argues that free software should not place restrictions on commercial use,[34] and the GPL explicitly states that GPL works may be sold at any price.

Therefore, you can buy a GPL theme here, modify it slightly, then resell it on your own site.

I’m not saying I would of course, but it could happen – legally.

I’ve been dealing with some licence issues (not WP related) on a freelance software project recently, and this is just the tip of the iceberg really.

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pezflash says

This is joke right? I mean reselling by buyers…

Not only that, giving away for free if they prefer.

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ChunkStudio says


This is joke right? I mean reselling by buyers…
Not only that, giving away for free if they prefer.

true

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CodingJack says


Also we need to consider that an usual TF buyer doesn’t going to show interest on GPL – it is nothing different.
Regular/Extended = single use restriction, GPL = no such thing.

I think we’re the only two authors in the history of the marketplaces who’ve ever been asked “Can I buy a developer’s license?”.

Me: “No”.
GPL Author’s Answer: “You don’t need one for any of my items!”

One month later, buyer sees non-GPL item, clicks the back button and continues their search. Non-GPL author loses loyal customer.

Imagine launching a developer license and trying to charge 3x the amount now? GPL sure has killed that dream.

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candeed says

After reading the whole thread i have to say I have never seen a better example for the saying: “the way to hell is paved with good intentions”. Lets recap:

What Envato wanted to do:

  • Offer Authors the possibility to sell their themes under 100% GPL. Makes GPL Advocates and Matt Mullenweg happy. Authors can now finally speak again at WordCamps: http://wpdaily.co/org-envato/
  • Draw some attention to the fact that 100% GPL is supported now by inviting WooThemes to the marketplace
  • Grow the marketplace by adding the Woo Theme Library.

In theory that sounds all good. How it tuned out:

  • Neither a lot of authors nor customers care about or understand the 100% GPL. Lots of confusion.
  • Authors are unhappy because:
    1. there is a new big direct competitor who gets a better deal out of this than any of the authors sticking to the marketplaces for the last years
    2. this competitor gets 30 themes approved that should not have been approved for reasons already mentioned
  • WooThemes is unhappy because:
    1. They get bashed big time by half of the forum. Hardly a nice welcome.
    2. They dont sell very much on themeforest although receiveing a lot of attention. So lots of extra work with submitting themes, integrating envato api into their forum registration etc, and no extra income?
  • Envato is unhappy because:
    1. They made their authors unhapy and now have to deal with a bazillion forum threads were everyone is complaining
    2. 100% GPL was supposed to be a great deal, but is hardly acknowledged because of the introduction-fiasco of WooThemes
    3. WooThemes with their 30 Themes doesnt make any money for them. Either because customers dont like the themes (indication that the review preocess was indeed “slopy”) or because all of the sales are happening directly at the WooThemes website. Whatever the case might be, it doesnt help envato grow.

Did I miss anything? Seems like a classic lose/lose/lose situation :P

By the way I am not really thrilled either by the fact that someone who abandoned the marketplace a few years back now gets a better deal than the authors who stayed and helped growing it. I can see that its sometimes necessary to bend or break the rules but I simply dont see why this is the case here.

“the way to hell is paved with good intentions…” Interesting opinion from envato’s top author..

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