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collis Envato team says


@doru ^^ here it’s the page updated http://themeforest.net/make_money/become_an_author and well explained :)

Edit: or here http://d2mdw063ttlqtq.cloudfront.net/resources/rates/envato_author_fee_schedule_(sept_2014).pdf

I actually wondered why we were getting the share from purchase fee, because we authors weren’t handling anything. It was good while it lasted what can i say, but now things are getting more clear and fair i think.

don’t know why you got those money before. maybe because envato loved you and now you’ve been a bad boy being negative about the support changes and what not, so now no more love for you (aka we’ve cut your weekly allowance now go to your room) :)

I was talking about the article but the page you’ve linked is more confused than before.

envato gets a share from me and from the buyer and now I can see what that share is. I just want to see how much money I get from my items. the rest is unnecessary information for me except if scenario bellow is true

before:

I bring an item to envato, they like it and they put it on sale. I get a percentage of the money envato get from the client.

now

I bring an item to envato, they sell it. I get more money from the buyer than before then I need to give a part of those money back to envato.

before (50% rate)

pay taxes on 50% earnings

now (50% rate)

you’ve earned 80%, you need to justify 30% given to envato in some way, then pay taxes for the rest of 50%

if this is true then you need some sort of invoice for the money I get from the buyer and then I pay to envato. But I can’t see client information, how can i justify that I get 80% of money from the client if I don’t know who it is?

I think the statement page should now have something like this

item name, item id, item price, date of purchase, 80%rate amount, envato fee purchase, client info for tax purpose, envato info for tax purpose.

Thanks Doru, improving the statements and invoices is on our roadmap for the year and something we’re working on.

Just for reference, your example is slightly incorrect. Let’s say it was a $100 sale, and you stand to make $50.

Previously your total revenue was $100, your expenses (Envato’s fee) was $50, your net revenue was $50.

After this change, your total revenue is $80 (since $20 is a fee from Envato to the buyer), then you have $30 expenses, and your net revenue is again $50.

In other words, your total revenue is actually reduced, since part of our fees now go directly to the buyer.

Hope that makes sense. Should be clearer as we roll out more and better invoice and financial documents.

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collis Envato team says

I read with all my attention all provided artciles, and could someone explain – will my earnings lower after this changed, same or higher? On provided slides by Collis, it looks like authors earning will be the same. But this example was implemented for Elite Author. What will happen in my case? My current author rate with old system was 54%, now I see on my Earning page that my author fee is 33,75%, so my final rate becoming higher – 66,25%, but now Envato fee excluded from my earnings. Total mess. Help me please.

Hey Lumen, the easiest way to understand your earnings is to use the slider on the Make Money page. But broadly your final earnings will be the same.

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aleluja says

I read with all my attention all provided artciles, and could someone explain – will my earnings lower after this changed, same or higher? On provided slides by Collis, it looks like authors earning will be the same. But this example was implemented for Elite Author. What will happen in my case? My current author rate with old system was 54%, now I see on my Earning page that my author fee is 33,75%, so my final rate becoming higher – 66,25%, but now Envato fee excluded from my earnings. Total mess. Help me please.

You can calculate it with: 100 – (33.75*0.8 + 20). That’s the percentage of what you get from the full price.

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hogash says


@doru ^^ here it’s the page updated http://themeforest.net/make_money/become_an_author and well explained :)

Edit: or here http://d2mdw063ttlqtq.cloudfront.net/resources/rates/envato_author_fee_schedule_(sept_2014).pdf

I actually wondered why we were getting the share from purchase fee, because we authors weren’t handling anything. It was good while it lasted what can i say, but now things are getting more clear and fair i think.
don’t know why you got those money before. maybe because envato loved you and now you’ve been a bad boy being negative about the support changes and what not, so now no more love for you (aka we’ve cut your weekly allowance now go to your room) :)

Haha :D If things were like that, Envato would’ve been gone for years. From what i saw Envato always encouraged good and valuable feedback but on the right tone. They do want the best for this marketplace and these are all changes for the general growth and continuous expansion, the fact we don’t agree with some changes is not that relevant, nobody’s forcing us to stay here and i for once have concerns of my own – like how do i go into space :D


I was talking about the article but the page you’ve linked is more confused than before.

envato gets a share from me and from the buyer and now I can see what that share is. I just want to see how much money I get from my items. the rest is unnecessary information for me except if scenario bellow is true

before:

I bring an item to envato, they like it and they put it on sale. I get a percentage of the money envato get from the client.

now

I bring an item to envato, they sell it. I get more money from the buyer than before then I need to give a part of those money back to envato.

before (50% rate)

pay taxes on 50% earnings

now (50% rate)

you’ve earned 80%, you need to justify 30% given to envato in some way, then pay taxes for the rest of 50%

if this is true then you need some sort of invoice for the money I get from the buyer and then I pay to envato. But I can’t see client information, how can i justify that I get 80% of money from the client if I don’t know who it is?

I think the statement page should now have something like this

item name, item id, item price, date of purchase, 80%rate amount, envato fee purchase, client info for tax purpose, envato info for tax purpose.

I’m lost :)

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designova says

Importantly for authors, as of today this fee (handling fee) will be purely from Envato to the buyer (so authors will derive no revenue from it). It’s very disappointing :(

Hi, there is nothing to be worried about this handling fees. Envato does handles all the payment system and this extra processed handling fee amount should be credited to Envato, not to authors. True and fair :) We see no problem with that, it is Envato’s money and they deserve it.

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LumenMedia says
Thank you, slider with calculations of final revenue helped me to make same conclusion. :) I hope new model will bring benefits for all of us.


I read with all my attention all provided artciles, and could someone explain – will my earnings lower after this changed, same or higher? On provided slides by Collis, it looks like authors earning will be the same. But this example was implemented for Elite Author. What will happen in my case? My current author rate with old system was 54%, now I see on my Earning page that my author fee is 33,75%, so my final rate becoming higher – 66,25%, but now Envato fee excluded from my earnings. Total mess. Help me please.
Hey Lumen, the easiest way to understand your earnings is to use the slider on the Make Money page. But broadly your final earnings will be the same.
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collis Envato team says

Haha :D If things were like that, Envato would’ve been gone for years. From what i saw Envato always encouraged good and valuable feedback but on the right tone. They do want the best for this marketplace and these are all changes for the general growth and continuous expansion, the fact we don’t agree with some changes is not that relevant, nobody’s forcing us to stay here and i for once have concerns of my own – like how do i go into space :D

I must admit I’m so fascinated to find out if whoever makes it to $25m first has the stomach to actually go to space :-D Although it was my idea, I’d be terrified

... also I don’t think Cyan would let me go anyway!! :-P

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QuanticaLabs says

With the “Bla-Bla” part I have only tried to explain it doesn’t make any difference for us (as long as we don’t care about the $2 paypal fee, which are not even part of the item’s price)), but for cheaper files it makes sense that authors would be affected (not much IMHO)

From what I understand it does make a difference for authors. Citing from collis:

The handling fee is a change to author earnings, because previously it was split with the author in the same way that the item’s sale was. So let’s say you were a 50-50 author, and you sold a $10 item, but with a $2 handling fee – you would have received $5 + $1. That second part will no longer happen.

Assuming you are an elite author and earn 70% of every sale, you sold 1000 items a month and every fifth sale has been increased by $2 handling fee. It’s $280 additional income, or, rather was :)

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designova says


Haha :D If things were like that, Envato would’ve been gone for years. From what i saw Envato always encouraged good and valuable feedback but on the right tone. They do want the best for this marketplace and these are all changes for the general growth and continuous expansion, the fact we don’t agree with some changes is not that relevant, nobody’s forcing us to stay here and i for once have concerns of my own – like how do i go into space :D

I must admit I’m so fascinated to find out if whoever makes it to $25m first has the stomach to actually go to space :-D Although it was my idea, I’d be terrified

... also I don’t think Cyan would let me go anyway!! :-P

Uh ooh.
What if a team won the power elite++ ‘space tour’ prestige ;) We are 11 in the team. LOL.

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Creattive says

I read with all my attention all provided artciles, and could someone explain – will my earnings lower after this changed, same or higher? On provided slides by Collis, it looks like authors earning will be the same. But this example was implemented for Elite Author. What will happen in my case? My current author rate with old system was 54%, now I see on my Earning page that my author fee is 33,75%, so my final rate becoming higher – 66,25%, but now Envato fee excluded from my earnings. Total mess. Help me please.

Hi,

you can do some math to know your percentage like it was before the change:

old earning percentage = 80 - ((new fee percentage)*0,8)

So in your case 80 – (33,75*0,8) = 53

this should be the same as before, sure you got 54%?

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