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Australia says

Only slightly off topic

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doru says

Only slightly off topic

Debated this copyright stuff with collins and his team in the past numerous times. :) Not a particular issue that I need an answer now since they already informed the community about how they handle the copyright infringement.

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Australia says


Only slightly off topic
Debated this copyright stuff with collins and his team in the past numerous times. :) Not a particular issue that I need an answer now since they already informed the community about how they handle the copyright infringement.

Wtf has that got to do with the price of cheese ?

Start your own thread

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Australia says


Only slightly off topic
Debated this copyright stuff with collins and his team in the past numerous times. :) Not a particular issue that I need an answer now since they already informed the community about how they handle the copyright infringement.

Wtf has that got to do with the price of cheese ?

Start your own thread

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doru says

Start your own thread

:D NO!

Share Collis with everyone, don’t be egoist!

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Australia says


Start your own thread

:D NO!

Share Collis with everyone, don’t be egoist!

Lmao u greedy bugger ;)

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Typps says



Start your own thread

:D NO!

Share Collis with everyone, don’t be egoist!
Lmao u greedy bugger ;)

haha owned! now that the tide has shifted to UI, I have a few things I’d like to bring to everyone’s attention … :P

OK, didn’t have anything to add but I guess someone else could take a stab at this ^^

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doru says

ok people, keep this thread hidden. we don’t want everybody to know that collis is around here.

then everybody will have a question and we will not get an answer to OUR requests.

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TheRedGiant says

A system of “compensation”?

With 2.5+ million market items, the cost of even seriously listening to every paranoid’s claim of the “Look!! that person over there made a thing which is just like MY thing except for that color which is different and that other part which is round instead of square!!!” variety must be already annoyingly high enough. Let alone adding some “Financial Compensation for Victims of Search & Replace” nonsense system on top of it.

Last thing Envato should do is overcomplicate its already complex system of copyright-related rules.

Also,


...can be purchased for $29 at the original authors website.

....

On here it can be bought for $15

...

its a bad rip.. Disgusting ui, and poorly executed, demo is hideous etc…

...

To add, the author on here has admitted he has stole it !

So, the buyer is getting exactly what he’s paying for: A bad quality item by an author which is for all practical purposes a clumsy automatic generator of copies of works found on other sites.

Who’s losing here? Certainly not the “original” author of the source material, since you can’t prove that the buyer would have indeed purchased that “original” work had the bad rip not been made. He might have bought another cheap work (or nothing at all) in that case.

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collis Envato team says

Hey all

Just popping back on here as promised. And @doru, sorry to disappoint but I’m going to stick to the issues in the OP!! ;)

What does Envato do about copyright?

We’ve made a bunch of Notes posts earlier this year on what we do and why we do it. We’ve also got some knowledgebase articles to help authors out on how to respect IP, and what happens if they don’t. And we’d like to do more communicating on this in the future – I’d like us to revisit all the information we posted earlier this year and also add to it to deal with things like use of trademarks and other curly issues. To summarise, our reviewers act on obvious copyright issues that they come across when reviewing. And we’ll act on DMCA notices and take a look at other complaints as they come in. Occasionally we might also take a look at a category or two to do a health check on how our authors are doing in understanding copyright issues (like we did earlier this year for GraphicRiver print template categories, and site templates on ThemeForest). But as we can’t be copyright police, we can’t investigate every last asset in every item as it comes in. This not appropriate under the DMCA rules, and also the review queues would stretch into eternity if we did!

I think the main concern here seems to be that we’re either taking too long or not responding when you raise an issue. We do have a huge volume of support requests at the moment, which is slowing down our turn around time, but on the other hand we do prioritise anything that comes into support that’s to do with copyright and intellectual property. What we need you to do is to put a support ticket in with your issue rather than emailing reviewers directly – reviewers are supposed to focus on their reviewing of items as they’re uploaded to keep that process moving. When we get a support ticket with an IP request, we are able to either act on it within our support team, or funnel it to the right person (like a senior reviewer) and track it much better.

The process is much more quick if the copyright owner lodges a DMCA, because that is a clear process to follow and doesn’t actually involve Envato making our own assessment of copyright issues. If the complaint comes in from someone else though, you’d appreciate that unless there’s a 100% clear rip of an item, this takes more time to assess, and also that we have to tread carefully to try to be fair on everyone. Copyright breach is not always so clear as script having been ripped. There are often lots of grey areas where it’s not obvious whether something has been copied, particular when it comes to things like designs of items, or the ‘ideas’ represented in an item. We’ve come to realise that there’s a reason these sorts of things go to court sometimes! @Ale55andro you’ve said it well as there’s a difference between a straight rip and when ideas are used but the next product is created from scratch. So this takes a bit of time to assess, but we try to do it within several days if possible.

What doesn’t Envato do? Why not?

@SportTipsWorld, we’ve decided to use a separate esupport system (kayako) to keep track of a bunch of different item, author and buyer support issues. If we just rely on an item being ‘reported’ with ‘one click’, it wouldn’t give us the same ability to get the background information, and queued and prioritise the issues and escalate it to the right people. We need our esupport system to manage this process. So I ask for your patience in needing to go to our support site to report an issue!

A few of you have asked what happens to the revenue from items taken down. Although it feels like a solution to take money from one author and give it to another, we just don’t feel like this is an appropriate role for us to take. Firstly, things like this are best done by a formal proceeding. We can’t be judge and jury on these matters and start allocating money around – this is best left to the legal system. What we can do is disable repeat offenders – if you think someone is in this category please lodge a ticket giving us some information.

Our reviewers do what they can to spot copyright issues based on their knowledge of a marketplace or item type, but we do deal with well over 2 million items, and there are lots of other sites out there. So it’s not our job to check each item and its components against other sites. (Keep in mind that what seems obvious to you – as an author who’s highly specialised in something and potentially spending a lot of time on other sites – might not be so obvious to someone else.) We’d think it’s a better focus to educate all authors on how to do the right thing, and keep up our procedures to deal with DMCA notices if authors don’t do the right thing.

It would be great if you could take a look at our content policy and other articles and let me know what else you’d like to see from us to make more clear what authors should be doing to respect copyright.

Hopefully that helps answer everything raised guys! Sorry about the super long post :-)

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