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Basspartout says

“An Epiphany” – by Basspartout ;)


I’m so proud of myself now – I did it! I restrained myself :)
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On one side, I spend at least an hour listening to their demos on their website and yes, it’s true – a lot of the sounds really sound a little outdated. And then, slowly but surely a question came crawling up…. the question every software/plugin/vst company hates, the question you’re not supposed to ask yourself….ever….never…..NEVER!!!:
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“DO I REALLY NEED MORE SOUNDS ??”

Then I had a look in my Studio One Library Folder which is filled with 18 GB of Sounds and I bet I haven’t checked out even 10% of them since I bought it in February
What happened to the days when we had just one synth and we knew that one inside out?! I remember I did awesome sounding string arrangements in the 90s with “just” a Roland D70 and an ASR10 sampler (“maxed out” with 16 MB Ram, haha).
I have to thank you guys – you helped me say “NO” (and wait til I can afford KOMPLETE 8 hahaha)
Cheers
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simaudio says

“An Epiphany” – by Basspartout ;)


I’m so proud of myself now – I did it! I restrained myself :)
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On one side, I spend at least an hour listening to their demos on their website and yes, it’s true – a lot of the sounds really sound a little outdated. And then, slowly but surely a question came crawling up…. the question every software/plugin/vst company hates, the question you’re not supposed to ask yourself….ever….never…..NEVER!!!:
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“DO I REALLY NEED MORE SOUNDS ??”

Then I had a look in my Studio One Library Folder which is filled with 18 GB of Sounds and I bet I haven’t checked out even 10% of them since I bought it in February
What happened to the days when we had just one synth and we knew that one inside out?! I remember I did awesome sounding string arrangements in the 90s with “just” a Roland D70 and an ASR10 sampler (“maxed out” with 16 MB Ram, haha).
I have to thank you guys – you helped me say “NO” (and wait til I can afford KOMPLETE 8 hahaha)
Cheers
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Lol! Black Books :bigsmile:

It is funny how we take all these sounds for granted now, it would be interesting to see how many bits of kit you would need to create all those sounds in Komplete. I’m still using Komplete 7 as i didn’t feel it was worth upgrading to eight as there wasn’t really much more in that upgrade than what’s already in seven. Here’s an old thread you might be interested in;

http://audiojungle.net/forums/thread/komplete-8-i-need-advice/50628

Sorry if i’m being obvious…....but i take it you have downloaded the free N.I. stuff ?

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Basspartout says
Lol! Black Books :bigsmile:

It is funny how we take all these sounds for granted now, it would be interesting to see how many bits of kit you would need to create all those sounds in Komplete. I’m still using Komplete 7 as i didn’t feel it was worth upgrading to eight as there wasn’t really much more in that upgrade than what’s already in seven. Here’s an old thread you might be interested in;

http://audiojungle.net/forums/thread/komplete-8-i-need-advice/50628 Sorry if i’m being obvious…....but i take it you have downloaded the free N.I. stuff ?

Thanks, sim, for the thread link :)
Actually, with my studio one producer came “Komplete Elements 8” and what can I say: It is awesome! But the funny thing is: I almost never use it, haha. Everytime I play around with it I am amazed about the sound and possibilities, but then: I almost never use it. It’s a phenomenom and I’m still trying to figure out why. Anyone else experience that with NI stuff?
Took me a long time to figure out that on my system I need to switch of the convolution reverb, otherwise it’s just constant CPU overload. But that’s already a while ago and it’s supereasy to bounce instruments to audio with Studio One, so I could use as many instances of Kontakt or Reaktor as I wanted….
One reason might be, that it is oftentimes kind of overwhelming to me. Like too many options…, too many things you can do with it. I open up Reaktor for example with one of the synths and I wonder about all those great things I could do with this one synth alone. But most of the times, the story ends there, cozily ‘wondering about all those great things I could do with it’. Hahaha…. :bigsmile:
That’s why I was with Matt on the IK stuff…..I open up sampletank and use it – I open up Kontakt, play around for a while and close it. ;) .... or use it for ‘only’ an upright bass and have the feeling, I’m wasting it for ‘only an upright bass’ haha. Its so strange with me and NI stuff.
I always felt, them being a company from Berlin, I should support them more, lol

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simaudio says

I think what you say is spot on! N.I stuff can be a bit of a monster! synth and cpu wise, who wants to waste all that time trying out all those presets? it can suck the life out of you, I’m always constantly searching for the right sound, but over time I have now built up quite a library of my own presets that I like and use, but I think the point here is to get to know your instrument! That is quite a difficult thing to do when you buy a big library…...like say Komplete and suddenly you have all these instruments and FX to play with, it is a bit like a kid in a candy shop ha-ha :)

However I constantly use the freeze function in cubase or record as audio when using N.I. stuff, I believe you should record vst’s to audio anyway as instruments change with upgrades and you might stop using them etc, you will always have an audio file that you are happy with and if you are not you can always go back and change the settings to fit a mix by simply saving and going back to the previous project.

But all in all I do really like a lot of their stuff but they do have too many gimmicks.

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AlumoAudio says

Funny thing Sasha, is that I experience exactly the same thing with NI stuff. I have always found myself returning to the more ‘simple’ plugins to achieve my sounds; mostly IK plugins. I’ve often thought about why this is the case and, for me at least, I figured it’s because NI’s sound-set and configuration doesn’t necessarily fit the music I’m trying to create.

To elaborate, i do feel that NI synths and plugins are incredibly deep, and one can literally spend hours creating a sound, using all sorts of algorithms and parameters to achieve it. This of course isn’t a bad thing, but being a generally impulsive musician, creating primarily corporate music, I do find that doing this seems to take the spontaneity out of the creative process.

Also, a lot of the bundled presets on NI synths are themselves incredibly textural and complex, almost like stand-alone tracks in themselves. Although they are often beautiful sounds and great starting points to build upon, they can be pretty useless when adding to say a simple, corporate track. They just seem to cloud up the mix with way too many harmonics and resonances, and you find yourself constantly modifying and battling with them to avoid conflicts with other instruments..At which point I give up, fire up Sampletank and load up a nice basic pad and start from there!

So, it all really depends on the type of music you are trying to create and the process that works for you. My personal motto: Less is more! ;)

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Mihai_Sorohan says

For me, NI is the first option in many cases.
Kontakt is loaded in all of my projects. Most of my rock projects use the rock bass or the funk bass through an amp sim (mostly Guitar Rig). For orchestral strings I like EWQL Symphonic (I use the free version, no iLok) but lately the VSL from Kontakt get used more because of articulation switches.
My favorite choir, Requiem Light also run from Kontakt. Pianos, most of them from Kontakt. Massive got lately more attention from me, easy to understand and to make sounds in it.
Miroslav Philharmonik can be useful but the “sample loop vibrato” sometimes is too obvious, strings have a bit of synthetic feel, woodwinds lack a hard attack when you hit F or FF…

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Basspartout says

Funny thing Sasha, is that I experience exactly the same thing with NI stuff. I have always found myself returning to the more ‘simple’ plugins to achieve my sounds; mostly IK plugins. I’ve often thought about why this is the case and, for me at least, I figured it’s because NI’s sound-set and configuration doesn’t necessarily fit the music I’m trying to create.

To elaborate, i do feel that NI synths and plugins are incredibly deep, and one can literally spend hours creating a sound, using all sorts of algorithms and parameters to achieve it. This of course isn’t a bad thing, but being a generally impulsive musician, creating primarily corporate music, I do find that doing this seems to take the spontaneity out of the creative process.

Also, a lot of the bundled presets on NI synths are themselves incredibly textural and complex, almost like stand-alone tracks in themselves. Although they are often beautiful sounds and great starting points to build upon, they can be pretty useless when adding to say a simple, corporate track. They just seem to cloud up the mix with way too many harmonics and resonances, and you find yourself constantly modifying and battling with them to avoid conflicts with other instruments..At which point I give up, fire up Sampletank and load up a nice basic pad and start from there!

So, it all really depends on the type of music you are trying to create and the process that works for you. My personal motto: Less is more! ;)

Spot on, Matt! Coudnt have described it any better! So it’s not just me, lol.
This afternoon I thought I’d give it another try and fired up Reaktor and played around with their latest freebie, ‘Micro Prism’ I think it’s called. Same effect – so many incredible sounds already in this one “little” freebie and I always thought , ‘I wanna use this!!’.....but as you said, Matt, most of them are so big already, there is not much you can do UNLESS i think, you make THEM the song. I mean, with most of those sounds, you cant just take a guitar and then support the guitar, almost every sound’s too big for that. Sometimes I think, all you can do with them is make great NI demo tracks… haha. They always sound awesome :)
But now I’m curious and I wanna know – so, yeah, simaudio, it’s a good idea I will dedicate a little time every day to make a little library out of my favourite NI presets. There must be a way to actually use them outside NI demo tracks or trance tracks that sound like it, haha ;)
Actually, that is why I am such a great fan of the free U-HE Zebralette: it mixes soooo good with other instruments, especially with acoustic instruments/guitars. Try it, guys, I’d really love to hear your opinion.
@Mihai: Thanks to your post I gave Sonatina Free Orchestra another try and I remembered that the Studio One Sampler can play Soundfont so then I loaded some of the sounds into it and some sound really great! And yeah, the bass sounds from NI are very good and clear and always make a good bottom in the mix, but since I play bass, I dont use them either except for the upright here and there. I used the NI Strings in one of my songs and you’re right, I really like the articulation switch keys.
Thanks guys, it’s really nice to share experiences with those instruments, maybe we could open a ’ lets have a coffee and discuss our favourite plugins thread ’ :)
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vaisnava says

I love SampleTank but only have the free version. I also own their Classic EQ, 670 Compressor, White 2A comp, and now have the CSR Reverb suite. I absolutely love their products and really want SampleTank XL.

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Sophonic says

I use Sample Tank XL, but not too much anymore, recently got Komplete bundle. Although IK seems easier on the cpu. I use T-Racks for mastering.

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