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mehrpadin says

Hi guys,

I’m a newcomer here. I’ve uploaded my first work some days ago, and based on what I’ve learned about things here so far I thought I should discuss something with everybody, authors and buyers, of course I’ve talked about this issue with Jeff previously.

The story is that different templates of different CMS ’s need “different” expectations.

As far as I see WP is the dominant CMS here in TF (Note that we’re talking about CMS ’s, not the HTML and\or PSD templates and such) and meanwhile Envato seems to be eager to increase the number of Joomla (i.e.) templates, this’s good, but needs a correct understanding of the Joomla templates, I mean their difference with the dominant CMS here, which’s WP.

» WP themes need the designers design the plugins too; this’s because of the fact that changing the look & feel of WP plugins requires editing their HTML \CSS files. So, a WP designer will choose 1 poll plugin (i.e.) to be used in her\his theme, 1 slideshow, 1 dropdown menu, and bla bla. Ok maybe sometimes, just for very professional themes, they design for more than 2 or 3 plugins, but usually it’s just 1, and then adds built-in styles in the theme for them. Correct me if I’m wrong, as I’ve left WP some two years ago.

Joomla templates are not so, because Joomla isn’t WP. Almost all the Joomla components that have something to do with the look & feel of your website, let you change the look & feel of the component via Joomla back-end.

Then the main concern would be the required space for the putting those components (modules) into the front-end; This is when we start talking about “positions”.

So, Joomla templates are not expected to predict components for polls, slideshows, dropdown menus, etc. and have built-in styles for them. ( Of course, some parts of Joomla, like the default Login Form module are widely used and some designers might design them, but that’s another story).

They’re particularly expected to provide a nice, flexible, and valid W3C (x)HTML\CSS layout, probably with RTL (right to left) support, and, tens of positions and more; And! the thing they’re not expected to offer is having built-in styles for some components.

Long story short, if TF is expected to get more non-WP stuffs, like Joomla templates, Drupal themes, phpBB styles (*), we need a correct understanding of each CMS . Of course, I know with more Joomla\Drupal templates uploaded here, we’ll see more Joomla\Drupal users coming to TF, and little by little the understanding and expectations of such templates will become more correct, but just wanted to help TF and it make it faster, that’s why I’ve wrote this.

Have a beautiful day,

[The star] Which I should nag about round the click as lots of our current phpBB styles are just little modified proSilver’s and\or other free phpBB styles.

Important: Dear moderators, please don’t move this topic to another forum. It’s not about CMS ’s, it’s about the TF atmosphere, and the current forum is where it should be IMO .

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mehrpadin says

Anyone even read this topic? after a month!

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JeffreyWay says

Were you the one who suggested that WordPress devs don’t really know what they’re doing, when compared to Joomla devs?

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simonk says

I don’t understand what this is addressing. Had a file rejected? Customers of your current joomla theme? Other ThemeForest authors saying something?

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mehrpadin says
Were you the one who suggested that WordPress devs don’t really know what they’re doing, when compared to Joomla devs?

Hi Jeff,

No, I’m the one who said, in comparison to Joomla and Drupal, Wordpress websites are not very big. In addition to this, Joomla, and especially Drupal are used on very big sites, say newspapers, magazines, universities, and so on and so forth.

So, those who design for such “CMSs” are usually “experts” while WP designers are rarely “experts” they’re mostly students and such.

I know, I know, I know WP and WP lovers are dominant here, but the fact is that WP is a tiny puppy, while Joomla is a big wolf, and Drupal is a Tyrannosaurus. If we don’t understand how to evaluate designs for each one “correctly”, we should expect TF to be a source of WP themes solely, while there’s a thirst for Joomla, Drupal, and even phpBB designs out there.

Of course, as once said, I believe when we get more Joomla and Drupal designs, say 50, my Joomla\Drupal troops will arrive and everything will change!

For now, I’m alone here, so come on WP lovers!! throw tomatoes!! ; )

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g_gilmore says
No, I’m the one who said, in comparison to Joomla and Drupal, Wordpress websites are not very big. In addition to this, Joomla, and especially Drupal are used on very big sites, say newspapers, magazines, universities, and so on and so forth.
The New York Times, Harvard, Le Monde, PlayStation, Rolling Stones… etc etc, all use a form of WP in their sites. I’m not saying it’s always the best option, I’m just saying it can be (and has been) done.
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CreatingDrew says
So, those who design for such “CMSs” are usually “experts” while WP designers are rarely “experts” they’re mostly students and such.
This was obviously meant to start a flame war, what an outrageous statement.
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mehrpadin says

@g_gilmore:

WP is a blog publishing tool, while Drupal is a CMS . We should NOT compare them at all. Anywhere WP been used, it was for a blog, but 9 out of 10 of the sites mentioned below are “based on” Drupal. Even among well known CMS ’s, Drupal is hardly comparable to any, maybe eZPublish, but not tiny tiny Joomla for sure.

@CreatingDrew: War?

  • AOL .
  • ICANN .
  • Yahoo research.
  • NASA .
  • Berkman Center for Internet and Society (Harvard uni.).
  • MIT Media Lab.
  • Mozilla Thunderbird.
  • SourceForge.
  • Sun Learning Exchange (Sun microsystems).
  • SonyEricsson Labs.
  • Zappos.
  • Flex (Adobe).
  • Jabber.
  • Nike (Beijing olympics website).
  • FedEx.
  • French government.
  • New York state senate.
  • Linux foundation.
  • The Industry Standard.
  • InfoWorld.
  • M-lab (Google).
  • Nokia research.
  • Symantec juice.
  • CSAIL (MIT).
  • SANYO .
  • UN’s World Food Programme.
  • UN’s Anti-Poverty event.
  • The New Zealand government.
  • MotoGP.
  • The Belgium government.
  • Fast Company mag.

More: http://buytaert.net/tag/drupal-sites

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chrisfay says

I used Joomla for two years for my personal site and can’t be happier to have migrated to Wordpress. I found the content hierarchy, templating system, and entire UI to be unintuitive in comparison. It’s been at least a year+ since I’ve used it so things may have changed.

But hey, to each his own I guess…

WP is a blog publishing tool, while Drupal is a CMS .We should NOT compare them at all

That’s just nonsense – Wordpress has CMS capabilities far beyond simply a ‘blog publishing tool’ and to ignore it as a viable open source CMS option would be ignorant IMHO …

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mehrpadin says

Then why we’ve bbPress and BuddyPress ? maybe WP can’t handle discussion forums and social networks? Oops! Joomla can, Drupal too!

Also: http://wordpress.org/showcase/ How many of these are “not” blogs?

Some 359 websites, 60 of which tagged “CMS”, and yet most of these 60 are little websites.

Why WP lovers like to ignore facts that much?

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