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Creattive says

I think I have explained very clearly why another reviewer is better than this solution, but all you are stepping on is the metaphor of a doctor?

You can swap it around like you want, the time needed to process the submissions will stay the same. That was what doru pointed out on first page.

The jar metaphor is nonsense, since in this example the pre-reviewer (fix for the hole) is better than another normal reviewer (bigger jar). Which cannot be applied to the reality: another normal reviewer would speed up the process just like your pre-reviewer does (even more like I’ve explained in my last post). The only difference is the order of the items that get reviewed. (rejections made faster)

So, please once again, what’s the advanage of this technique again, if it’s not about less money for this “special” reviewer?.

And please, no more metaphors :)

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DanyDuchaine says

Ok here’s a metaphore to explain the other metaphore .. just kidding :)

I totally agree that another “superstar” reviewer is the best thing, but since they don’t seem to hire/find him .. I thought of an alternative.

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Typps says

Having items pre-screened by community members will actually speed the process. Why ? Simply because there are more people involved. Worst case scenario it will only make it a lot more thorough and allow more community engagement. The pre-screeners can go through the submissions and provide feedback on the item, why it is a good fit for the marketplace or include a reason for rejection.

This means the actual reviewer (paid personnel) now have more time to review the single items. One only needs to read past posts to conclude how badly this is needed.

Btw, pre-screeners don’t have to be paid with money. There is already a pretty solid gamification mechanism in the community. This same system can be used to credit members for their work, i.e. community badges and other awards.

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WebSmacker says

@Dany – I agree that having pre-reviewers would be beneficial to filter out the crap. Many authors would probably do this just for the badge and colored border around forum postings.

+1 for the idea

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dekurvajo says

Less waiting for rejection, will motivate the author to start a new item with better quality instead save that crap, just because it was 5 days in the queue and the awaiting time creates for him a psychological value, what he try to save his loss or rebalance the frustration. (Read some Jung about this) but here are some others as well:

  • Less frustration > more new items uploads > higher quality uploads
  • Authors don’t get demotivated
  • Reviewers could focus better on the real deals
  • Reviewers don’t get brain haemorrhage
  • You don’t have to worry he just got a brain shock just before your item came to his hand
  • Inverse method for the selection always gives better results than the unsorted ones.
  • This will reduce rejection anomalies as well
  • Gives More chance for consequent pricing

Now i would like to read some disadvantages, because the present system has a big one, it could collapse and cause such a form like what actually happening since november. Funny thing is that when i told that time, its not only about Christmas problem some people also tried to convince me i’m wrong.

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dekurvajo says

@Dany – I agree that having pre-reviewers would be beneficial to filter out the crap. Many authors would probably do this just for the badge and colored border around forum postings. +1 for the idea
i think involve too much authors into this not a good idea. That would make people suspicious and they might think ideas are leaked.
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Creattive says

Less waiting for rejection, will motivate the author to start a new item with better quality instead save that crap, just because it was 5 days in the queue and the awaiting time creates for him a psychological value, what he try to save his loss or rebalance the frustration. (Read some Jung about this) but here are some others as well:
  • Less frustration > more new items uploads > higher quality uploads
  • Authors don’t get demotivated
  • Reviewers could focus better on the real deals
  • Reviewers don’t get brain haemorrhage
  • You don’t have to worry he just got a brain shock just before your item came to his hand
  • Inverse method for the selection always gives better results than the unsorted ones.
  • This will reduce rejection anomalies as well
  • Gives More chance for consequent pricing
Now i would like to read some disadvantages, because the present system has a big one, it could collapse and cause such a form like what actually happening since november. Funny thing is that when i told that time, its not only about Christmas problem some people also tried to convince me i’m wrong.

Hi, thanks for this explanation. Yes I agree with you that this system has the advantage of a faster rejection, though I didn’t gave that as much importance as you, but the psychological part sounds logic. But the time in queue is little compared to the time building and making the file ready for the marketplace, I don’t think that a faster rejection would make you more motivated.

And I wouldn’t go so far that reviewers get brainshocks from bad files :D

I’m not against this system, I’m just against the “Special” reviewer part. That’s what I’m trying to communicate here. in the start post it sounds like an average-Joe should do this job of sorting the crap out. But I think that this won’t work since people would on the one hand want some advice on making the file better which this average-Joe might not be able to. On the other hand people might criticize this person’s decision even more than the professional reviewers are criticized now, opening a ton of support tickets just to end up at the real reviewers who tell them that their item is crap.

I’m not sure about the letting the community decide-part, I think it’s important that we don’t end up with a bunch of persons arguing over an item.

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dekurvajo says

@accudata: No, every items should goes trough on the review process. But i agree with that a 1-2 years old author with solidity who got 50 approved items vs 5 rejected, his item or himself was featured should not belongs to the same review lane like someone who just registered yesterday. This would be not an unfair act against new authors, but a very sober treatment to the loyal and dependable authors. I think Envato should seriously start to think how to keep the good authors here, not only just bring them here like to the promise land.

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pjtops says

@accudata: No, every items should goes trough on the review process. But i agree with that a 1-2 years old author with solidity who got 50 approved items vs 5 rejected, his item or himself was featured should not belongs to the same review lane like someone who just registered yesterday. This would be not an unfair act against new authors, but a very sober treatment to the loyal and dependable authors. I think Envato should seriously start to think how to keep the good authors here, not only just bring them here like to the promise land.

Good authors = good sales = good money, and that should be enough to keep them here. Each item submitted should keep being reviewed based on its own merits, and not on who submitted it. Its not only fair, but its also keeps the quality level high. Why tell someone who is working hard producing top-quality items that they no longer have to work as hard?

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@accudata: No, every items should goes trough on the review process. But i agree with that a 1-2 years old author with solidity who got 50 approved items vs 5 rejected, his item or himself was featured should not belongs to the same review lane like someone who just registered yesterday. This would be not an unfair act against new authors, but a very sober treatment to the loyal and dependable authors. I think Envato should seriously start to think how to keep the good authors here, not only just bring them here like to the promise land.
Good authors = good sales = good money, and that should be enough to keep them here. Each item submitted should keep being reviewed based on its own merits, and not on who submitted it. Its not only fair, but its also keeps the quality level high. Why tell someone who is working hard producing top-quality items that they no longer have to work as hard?

Well its simple: If i have a shop and i recently buy items from farmers. And i know that XY in the last year brought to the shop 100 bottle of quality wines and there was only 5% with minor quality issues i would spend more times to check those farmer’s products who just started the business with me. This is not personal, or corruption it’s simply effectiveness. And this does not means i would not check XY’s products anymore. But i would definitely spend more time for new supplier’s items. Does it sounds illogic?

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