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familychoice says

Common sense says: To avoid fragmentation and maintain consistency in licensing (for atleast couple of years) even if it lacks usability. Who cares usability when they are already successful in the industry.

A paid subscription theme costs $2500, a shopping cart theme around $50. A business theme promoting paid services from $40. The licensing system is not consistent in it’s current state.


One more serious pain-point with this is, even authors themselves may not aware what is actually going on with Extended License. For example, almost every author who disables Extended License are doing it to avoid distribution of work. But what actually happens is those authors doesn’t aware they closed the door for even non-distributing, paid subscription focused buyers. No one gains. This is why different license types are inevitable.

The author of one of the themes I’m interested in doesn’t even have the Extended License available, yet the sole purpose of that theme is to make money selling subscriptions via it’s built-in payment system. Customer comments are being asked about setting up payment systems ad the author is answering them, seemingly unaware their purchasers are breaking Envatos licensing T&C’s.

I’ve just had a look at the above authors portfolio and they have other themes available that offer subscriptions/services with built in payment options, and again no Extended License option.

If some authors don’t know how the licensing system works, what hope is there for customers?

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Typps says

We must keep in mind that every author has the choice to provide their item under the GPL license which covers a much broader use-case. Perhaps in time this will pick up momentum. For now it seems only a handful of authors are taking advantage of this.

I might take the GPL route as well in light of the recent revelations. The standard license makes little to no sense at all on the majority of codecanyon and themeforest items. As for the extended license, it simply doesn’t sell at all. I’ve had very few of these sold.

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VF says

@familychoice, Recently I noticed certain items missing purchase button; as the author didn’t opt-in matching license. I think the same should be applied to your example case – if the item’s core feature is paid subscription. Better inform this particular point through support ticket or atleast some staff should get attention on this through forum.

@Staff if any: Whenever an author opts-out Extended License, better show a warning something like this:

- Your items can no longer purchased for distribution purposes.
- Your items can no longer purchased for paid subscription based end products.
- If one or more of your item is based on above purposes, those items will now lose purchase button :D

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familychoice says

@familychoice, Recently I noticed certain items missing purchase button; as the author didn’t opt-in matching license. I think the same should be applied to your example case – if the item’s core feature is paid subscription. Better inform this particular point through support ticket or atleast some staff should get attention on this through forum.

I queried what license was required a few days ago on their comment section before I started this thread, and this has now been picked up by a few other potential and existing customers who are also asking the author to confirm what is required. No response from the author yet though.


@Staff if any: Whenever an author opts-out Extended License, better show a warning something like this: - Your items can’t be purchased for distribution purposes.
- Your items can’t be purchased for paid subscription based end products.
- If one or more of your item is based on above purposes, those items will now loss purchase button :D

I think that’s a good idea, though in this case the author could argue that purchasers of the theme could offer free subscriptions and therefore not require an upgraded license.

To be honest I feel sorry for the authors, there aren’t many subscription/service type themes on here, and they aren’t going to make many sales if purchasers are expected to pay $2500 for a license. I guess this is the reason why many authors don’t build them. A shame as this type of extra functionality is exactly what we’re interested in purchasing.

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Carmen says

Hi everyone,

I’ve been reading through this thread and it seems there are a few different issues being raised. Although our licenses have been put in place to protect authors and buyers, we also understand that some cases can be extremely confusing for both parties. I’ve forwarded this issue through to management to get a response from one of our license specialists. Unfortunately it is the weekend in Australia, so they may take some time to respond. In the meantime, please feel free to include any other related queries you would like answered.

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familychoice says

Hi everyone, I’ve been reading through this thread and it seems there are a few different issues being raised. Although our licenses have been put in place to protect authors and buyers, we also understand that some cases can be extremely confusing for both parties. I’ve forwarded this issue through to management to get a response from one of our license specialists. Unfortunately it is the weekend in Australia, so they may take some time to respond. In the meantime, please feel free to include any other related queries you would like answered.

Thanks Carmen, it’s the weekend here too so there’s no rush :)

For me I’d just like to know whether an advertising/subscription/booking/service type website – such as a dating, estate agency or hotel theme with a built-in payment option, requires a Standard, or an Extended License. And whether would this depend on whether the customer charges members to use it’s service.

If this is the case then the extra cost (50x more) seems to be out of proportion with what standard promotional and shopping cart themes are priced at.

Thanks.

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Carmen says

Thanks for taking the time to clarify your question for us familychoice :)

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Hi everyone, I’ve been reading through this thread and it seems there are a few different issues being raised. Although our licenses have been put in place to protect authors and buyers, we also understand that some cases can be extremely confusing for both parties. I’ve forwarded this issue through to management to get a response from one of our license specialists. Unfortunately it is the weekend in Australia, so they may take some time to respond. In the meantime, please feel free to include any other related queries you would like answered.

Thanks Carmen, it’s the weekend here too so there’s no rush :)

For me I’d just like to know whether an advertising/subscription/booking/service type website – such as a dating, estate agency or hotel theme with a built-in payment option, requires a Standard, or an Extended License. And whether would this depend on whether the customer charges members to use it’s service.

If this is the case then the extra cost (50x more) seems to be out of proportion with what standard promotional and shopping cart themes are priced at.

Thanks.

Hi familychoice,

If the site offers paid products or services (one time or subscription based) but access to the site itself if free then a Regular License is appropriate. The examples you’ve given would fall into this.

Hope that helps! Let me know if not :)

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Typps says

If the site offers paid products or services (one time or subscription based) but access to the site itself if free then a Regular License is appropriate. The examples you’ve given would fall into this. Hope that helps! Let me know if not :)

ahh a voice of reason. Thank you kdubdent for the confirmation. Correct me if I am wrong but it appears what the license clause tries to protect against is people purchasing an item and then monetizing it without actually doing any work. For instance, purchasing a video, image or audio element and then placing this behind a paywall with the expectation to cash in on the same goes beyond the standard license.

On the other hand if purchasing a theme that provided dating functionality, the content is user generated. It takes time to generate this type of content and the site owner owns the content. They are not charging access to use the theme purchased but rather the content.

Charging access to this content is within the customers right.

If this is correct, then I guess I wasn’t so wrong in my interpretation after all. The standard license is popular for good reason :)

It would still be nice though if this was clarified in the licensing FAQ using a clear example instead of the single admin template example that is not representative of the majority of items sold in these marketplaces.

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familychoice says

If the site offers paid products or services (one time or subscription based) but access to the site itself if free then a Regular License is appropriate. The examples you’ve given would fall into this.

Thanks for the clarification, that sounds great – would this still apply to a dating or ‘hidden content’ type website though, where certain areas of the website are hidden to non-subscribers? As access to parts of the website would not be free.


It would still be nice though if this was clarified in the licensing FAQ using a clear example instead of the single admin template example that is not representative of the majority of items sold in these marketplaces.

Definitely, as it seems authors are just as confused. In the two examples I’m looking at one states you need the Extended License whereas the other doesn’t make this license available.

It sounds good though, and if staff could just confirm that ‘hidden content’ type websites are also covered by the Standard License then we can look into purchasing one of the themes.

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